Extraction First extraction QWISO or BHO?

[robwars]

Well I've got five girls coming down in the next 3-4 weeks and it should yield me enough trim for my first extraction run. Qwiso or BHO?

As far as the Qwiso goes it seems easier and cheaper but there's not a whole lot of info out there on the correct procedures. There's a couple of vids on the tube but not much more then that. Anybody got a good method for this? Mainly how much alcohol per grams of material.

Bho on the other hand will be an expensive process. Extraction tubes, fuel, vacuum setup, etc. Plus I don't really have a good place to perform the extraction. My backyard is to populated. There is/are a ton of vids and info out there so I feel like I have the info I need for a proper extraction.

I don't mind spending the $$ on a BHO setup but like I said I'm struggling to find a good place to do it.

So how about the differences between Qwiso and Bho?
I've heard that butane is a better solvent and alcohol is cleaner....
Eventually I will do both but I'm leaning more towards Qwiso for my first extraction.

I'd love to get some input on this. Extraction experts wanted.

Stay green AFN

 

[stoneyhomer]

ok first butane is nasty stuff (i would not use it ) i stole this from elswhere but its bailer's work he the master


Hey fellas. Here is my Cold Extraction method. This is how you get what has been called Amber, Cherry, Honey Oil. It's the highest quality extraction method i have found. You keep the terps intact and don't get as much of that ISO taste in the end product.

Extraction and hash is how i used to earn my keep at a time. So i have had the pleasure to hone my skills. I want to share with you what i call the best ISO extraction method.


First. Before anything!!
Use ONLY GLASS! Anything metal will shed material into your solution, we don't want metals in the smoke do we?

Before you even start the process.

Put your ISO in the freezer, i let mine sit in there a minimum of 4 hours. You want the alcohol to look thick when it pours. Or more viscus. The idea of the cold ISO is to shock the plant matter when it hits it, So the only thing that gets released into the ISO are the trichs from our buds.



The material. You want the highest grade material you can find. Shit in = shit out, just more refined shit. For example the trim and buds from "big bud" are going to make a lesser quality oil than an OG kush, or any other big name brand of pot.
I keep the scraps from rolling joints and innar stems from buds, and only sugar leaves from trimming. Big fans/stems get put into the compost.


Next, DO NOT, bust up or crush or make your material into powder. You will do nothing but pull ALL the chlorophyll from the material, giving yourself "Green oil" Which we don't want, we want that amber goodness.



Next, after you have poured in your chilled ISO. Let it sit no more than a hour. Only a few minutes is ideal, however if you do feel the need to let it sit. Put your jar back into the freezer, it will slow the extraction of chlorophyll. Again don't let your mix sit long, the longer you let it sit the more green and dark it will get. Which are nothing more than impurities.

The condensation tells you how cold this is. I let it sit out in -24'c for a hour.


Next, extraction of our ISO from the mix. I use one single bounty sheet. You want it to pour fairly fast, once the ISO starts to heat up you will pull out the "greens" much much faster. Degrading your quality. You also want to clean your pyrex glass bowl with some ISO and some bounty. Clean in - clean out.



This is what you are left with. I don't squeeze out my material, as i am not trying to get the greens. I only want the THC glands themselves. You will also at this stage have an idea of what quality you produced. The redder the better the greener and darker the lesser the quality. Don't fret if your ISO solution isn't very red, and is sort of clear. This means you have pulled only the heads from the THC glands. You are in for a ride, this oil is the utmost highest quality. Often times it will dry up to a blood red color.
You do NOT want to boil off the ISO. Let it sit in a dark place or under a fan.




Three or four days under a fan will net you this result. If you can't read a paper through it you need to cool the iso more or lessen the time you let your mix sit before you extract the ISO.
You can scrape it up and ball it at this point or you can put it into vials for long term storage. If you have not boiled it or exposed your ISO to heat. You will have extracted the terps intact, and your Amber won't taste like ISO you will taste the buds you used for your amber material.

Cold is the key!




I started with about a quarter pound of scraps. I got around 10/12 grams of the purest of the pure!!! This is high dollar stuff right here.

I will also add, if you are the type of person that thinks you wasted THC with a quick wash, pour some ISO back into your material let it sit a few days. You will get some "oil" but there is little to no THC left in it. Your basically s

 

[beavergoods]

I've tried this method and it works excellent.

BeaverG

 

[robwars]

Thanks guys.

@ Stoney- Sounds like that post had pics with it at some point?

Still looking for a material to alcohol ratio.... Just enough alcohol to cover your material?

 

[robwars]

Also is it better to do a few small batches or a big batch? I've seen people put their material and alcohol in a mason jar and shake the shit out of it for 30 sec or so. Not good?

 

[stoneyhomer]

Thanks guys.

@ Stoney- Sounds like that post had pics with it at some point?

Still looking for a material to alcohol ratio.... Just enough alcohol to cover your material?

yes it did and its on afn somewhere just could not find it and had the text saved its all bailer's work if you do search his posts and have more time than i do at the moment you will prob find it if not pm him if you can and i am shure he will sort you or repost it

 

[robwars]

Thanks Stoney
I found it and no pics there either.
No worries though I feel like I have a good enough grasp on the procedures.

Anyone know the difference in potency between qwiso and bho?

 

[slightlystoopid]

I prefer BHO I have done both I've used the method above and got some really good results but I still could tast a tiny tiny bit of alchohol and that just ruins it for me it was really strong most likely just as strong as bho . Also I think it's a lot more work then bho once you have made bho a few times it's so simple easiest hash making there is I've tried almost all methods and you don't need a vacuum pump right away I was making bho for a year before I got a vacuum pump and I made some dank shit . You just need to keep it in the water bath for long enough it's all about paitence , and buy your butane in bulk it's way cheaper that way also you can get extractors very cheap now http://www.etsy.com/listing/100612770/bho-butane-honey-oil-extractor-mini
You don't need one bigger then this if it's just for you and some one else it hold 18 grams roughly so depending on strain your looking at around 2 grams of oil . I also think you get more return from bho compared to qwiso I don't remember the exact amount I used when I made qwiso but I was a little disappointed in the return well I hope this helps let me know if you have any ?

 

[robwars]

Great info ss thanks for dropping in.
I'm sure I'll get around to both eventually but I think I'm going to give the bho a try first. I know a lot of people heat purge instead of using a vac so I'll give it a go. I'll put all of my results and a step by step in this thread. It'll be at least a month though before I'm ready. Plus I still need to find a safe location for the extraction.

I like that tiny extraction tube in the link (thank you ss). How much fuel are you putting through it? 1/2 can? Full can? Any recommendations for purchasing fuel online?
I found this site a few weeks ago - http://www.extractionexperts.com/Products.html

Thanks

 

[slightlystoopid]

No problem bro and I just run it till it starts coming out clear then stop for a few seconds and run it again for a sec the amount kind of differes each time but you will defiantly see the color change , and eBay has some decent prices my local headshop has it pretty cheap they give it to me for 4 dollars a can if I buy 6 or more also make sure your trim is really dry it makes a huge difference