Feminising seeds

Egzoset · Oct 11, 2013

Salutations everyone,

The Spider Mite and it's smaller cousin the Tarsonemid Mite practically ruined all my hopes for some relatively uninvolved window-sill grows.

Just a while ago i found mentions of Colloidal Silver being capable of killing their eggs and since i've wanted to collect XX pollen for a long time already this gave me an idea for an eventual future project. It's now far too late for December i suppose but, provided that i could have done it in time, then my guess is i might have wanted males for Christmass!

Euh... False cannabis male (XX) flowers, that is...

As a matter of fact i'll probably feel sorry about using such inacurate anthropomorphic illustration! Nauthy, naughty me... Let say i couldn't resist!

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Well, i don't have access to male plants but i also read somewhere they have a lower metabolism than their female counter-part. So... I've started to wonder, for a window-sill wouldn't it make more sense to have males grown there? Or even better: plants submitted to a Colloidal Silver treatment, both for breading and pest control purposes?...

I wish there were articles exploring manners to integrate these elements in a way accessible to aging people who only seek a hobby to inspire them serenity; yield is no priority but aroma/taste would be Paramount as i vaporize.

Any related pointers such as key-words will be most appreciated!

:peace:

Epic Genetics · Oct 11, 2013

Egzoset said:
Salutations everyone,

The Spider Mite and it's smaller cousin the Tarsonemid Mite practically ruined all my hopes for some relatively uninvolved window-sill grows.

Just a while ago i found mentions of Colloidal Silver being capable of killing their eggs and since i've wanted to collect XX pollen for a long time already this gave me an idea for an eventual future project. It's now far too late for December i suppose but, provided that i could have done it in time, then my guess is i might have wanted males for Christmass!

Euh... False cannabis male (XX) flowers, that is...

As a matter of fact i'll probably feel sorry about using such inacurate anthropomorphic illustration! Nauthy, naughty me... Let say i couldn't resist!

:

Well, i don't have access to male plants but i also read somewhere they have a lower metabolism than their female counter-part. So... I've started to wonder, for a window-sill wouldn't it make more sense to have males grown there? Or even better: plants submitted to a Colloidal Silver treatment, both for breading and pest control purposes?...

I wish there were articles exploring manners to integrate these elements in a way accessible to aging people who only seek a hobby to inspire them serenity; yield is no priority but aroma/taste would be Paramount as i vaporize.

Any related pointers such as key-words will be most appreciated!

i had a hard time following you

but if you find c.s does kill mites and or their eggs id love to know about it

peace :Cool:

Egzoset · Oct 12, 2013

Salutations b0b_b1tch1n,

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...had a hard time following...

My appologies as nothing negative is intended. In fact i wish to find if my window-sill cannabic hobby can be adapted to provide joy & amazement in various limitative situations, in a context that still makes it accessible/enjoyable - but not at the cost of unmanageable levels of difficulty.

If foliar colloidal silver sprays will implement infestation control in addition to pollen production then maybe it's an achievable goal, after all, so i sort of wonder all the sudden!

Hence my request for pointers.

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...if you find c.s does kill mites and or their eggs id love to know about it...

Epic Genetics · Oct 12, 2013

i see how and why c.s would kill the eggs , but i believe it would also effect the mites themselves

to be honest , if i were to have an infestation i would c.s the whole crop then store the pollen :drool:

cross my fingers that none of us ever get infested again to be able to find out , but if someone does it will be a nice experiment

peace :Cool:

Egzoset · Oct 12, 2013

Hi again B0b_b1tch1n,

b0b_b1tch1n said:
i see how and why c.s would kill the eggs...

...and mold as a bonus i think.

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...but i believe it would also effect the mites themselves...

There's been times when i thought i'd never manage to see the end of it, i even considered oxygen displacement by CO2 (since a cannabis plant should handle it fine as vegetation litterally feeds on CO2), but then i learned about diapause. The eggs can't protect themselves this way because those organic structures are too primitive - i'm not so sure about adult Tarsonemid/Spider Mites, on another hand.

What i do know is that growing below 23 degrees Celcius may prove to be convenient enough for cannabic hobbyists who simply wish to forget about chemical war rotations and so on, to focus on a most pleasant display offered by mother nature on a daily basis... Two CS sprays a day once in a while wouldn't be too high a price to pay if it makes the sessions look healthy, IMO. No matter if those must be false (XX) males, if someone has done it before on their indoor window-sill then, PLEASE, i must read ALL about it!!

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b0b_b1tch1n said:
...if i were to have an infestation i would c.s the whole crop then store the pollen...

We certainly seem to reach an agreement here: better pollen/seeds than nothing!

Well, if a plant is considered doomed anyway i can see the benefit of CS sprays if the eggs do happen to die as hoped. For one i'd sure feel that's some comforting form of justice to get rid of sucking parasites and collect precious AF pollen/seeds in the process! Even better, since they slow down at low temperature why not use it against them to synchonize Colloidal Silver attacks?! I mean, if they all went dormant simultaneously then i guess they'll also wake up together and hence i'm thinking the mites probably don't lay eggs during diapause, turning it against them as most eggs would en up exposed globally, or so... Elevated heat would be likely to accelerate/enhance the properties of Colloidal Silver at a moment when the ennemy has been made vulnerable (my assumption is that diapause may tax their Borg attributes somehow).

A few degrees won't hurt much if compared of an infestation, in any case!

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...cross my fingers that none of us ever get infested again to be able to find out...

I already got to face the Spider Mite a long while ago and they won:

The Spider Mites didn't go away, this simply made them starve for a sufficiently long time:

...to allow 1 brief 3 months session which generated a whopping 18.5 g (dry!) harvest from my last Big Bang Auto - may she rest in peace and never be forgotten!

Yet the Tarsonemid Mite practically replaced The Borg since that era...

Sorry, it's a subject i've been having on my mind for a while. Can you help me find a more appropriate location where CS + Pollen + Mite topics can be integrated together as one same project, not knowing the exact form it would take (eventually, i'm afraid!)?

:peace:

Epic Genetics · Oct 12, 2013

Egzoset said:
Sorry, it's a subject i've been having on my mind for a while. Can you help me find a more appropriate location where CS + Pollen + Mite topics can be integrated together as one same project, not knowing the exact form it would take (eventually, i'm afraid!)?

are you asking where would be a better place to discuss this ?

if you look through the forum list and sub forums im sure something will jump out at you and say "hey lets talk about it here"

if you chose the wrong spot staff can move it to an area better suited

id think something like sick plants infermery , hell i dunno without looking through the list , but thats where id start if i was you

peace :Cool:

Egzoset · Oct 13, 2013

Salutations B0b_b1tch1n,

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...if you chose the wrong spot staff can move it to an area better suited

I was assuming you were part of the staff, hence my question.

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...something like sick plants...

It's even more complicated than that. After looking around for a couple years now i realize what i've got in mind doesn't fit anywhere just because it's too weird i guess: a window-sill grow done in a northern location such as mine can't get more than 10~ hours of sunlight each day, provided the plants are moved 3 times a day from one window to the next. Eventually, with an artificial light supplement under the form of some yet-to-be-conceived hybrid closet, i'd raise the daytime period to 14 hours or so... A major part of the energy bill would be from the sun, making this more accessible in economical terms.

There's nothing mainstream about it, ultimately i'd try to select some low-metabolism strain(s) so i can use a semi-open structure with no filter as i wish the plants to be enjoyed by their presence, including the fragrance. The closet would keep temperature below a preset point to help fight mite invasions, UV-A and perhaps also UV-B light could be put to contribution as there are species that will react to UV-A to avoid UV-B... As a semi-opened concept this closet might even work as a light source for my kitchen, etc. And finally, the goal is to make the hobby easy and pleasant by integrating pest control using Colloidal Silver which would have the double function of promoting false (XX) male flowers for breeding, so i can get seeds too. Hardware would be required to come from Canadian Tire, Rona, WallMart!...

I found this old post of mine on AFN, attempting to figure out the numbers:

Passive-venting closet, diffusing light from 4' fluorescent tubes

Except i prefer 45 to 65 Watts CFL for that type of ideas, with a few LED lights when they're ready perhaps. Etc...

In any case the infirmary would be the last place i want to go and yet i don't believe it's ready for a DIY thread neither. I'm thinking about something more along the lines of contemplative cannabic gardening as an easy hobby for elders.

I guess the thought of everyone being able to grow a couple plants every semester pleases me somehow.

So, thanks for sticking around anyway! I'm not done reading through my list of CS threads just yet...

:peace:

Epic Genetics · Oct 13, 2013

just remember , a lot of newer windows block uv and glass absorbs light so a window alone isnt like a glass greenhouse receiving light from every angle

a lot of the light shining through a newer pain of glass is only "visable" light (to humans) and not exactly as good for plants as one might think

and older windows contain lead so i dont know forsure but would worry the plants might breathe the led contaminated air (hopefully all windows are replaced nowadays though)

interesting stuff you got goin on , keep it up

peace :Cool:

Egzoset · Oct 13, 2013

Salutations B0b_b1tch1n,

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...a window alone isnt like a glass greenhouse receiving light from every angle...

Most unfortunately i have no access to a greenhouse setup so i'd be unable to compare and comment but i'll certainly concur with the opinion that indoor window-sills ain't ideal for anyone else's purpose (generally speaking)! This is one reason why it was stimulating for me to read somewhere in Google land that male plants have a lower metabolism, actually - which is an assertion i still need to verify i'm afraid...

Really, i have no bias against true (XY) cannabis male plants so if Colloidal Silver can't hurt those then i'd be quite willing to have a few healthy auto-flowering dwarf ones, no doubt! Considering i much prefer "AutoFem" seeds though, i wouldn't care growing false (XX) cannabis male flowers/plants neither: as a matter of fact i find that would be the best of two worlds to be able to collect pollen and fertilize females for seeds, whatever - while keeping mites away!!

In addition, can't we expect to find some good CBD in true/false male specimens too?

:2cents:

b0b_b1tch1n said:
...interesting stuff you got...

Nothing that can't be imagined out of the box by others with a background much more suitable to explore these matters than my own experience, though it's not impossible i'd happen to be the first guy in a while to ask about it the way i have...

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Finally, here's information i could gather from my recent readings on AFN.

There are other methods like Giberellic Acid (GB) and Silver Theosulfate (STS) but these are said to be potentially stressful, yet a plant treated with Colloidal Silver becomes improper for human consumption it seems (very little details were available on that)...

Colloidal Silver sprays inhibit the ethylene fruiting hormone which is normally secreted by female plants to grow female flowers capable of catching airborne pollen with their fluffy pistils, that's how someone can cause false (XX) male pollenating flowers to appear instead and this method isn't stressful, hence it shouldn't trigger hermies unless one attempts to self-pollenate 1 same individual plant. As an additional benefit CS sprays also prevent formation of mold and fungi, just remember not to spray dry plants: wet them first and always in absence of light!

Distilled water is absolutely necessary, refined silver should be readily available under the form of "Fine Silver" coins so i figure the 99.9999 % pure 1 oz "Silver Canada Maple Leaf Coin" sold 26.67 $ CAD by Banque Scotia should work adequately. A prefered alternate source of silver would be AWG gauge #14 to #10 silver wire instead, which is what you've been using as i recall.

Time, conductivity and size (ranging between 1 nm to 100 nm) are interdependant variables while temperature (between 18 to 29 degrees Celcius) is not, at least for all practical purposes... Voltage (Vdc) & Current (mA) both depend on how large the generator will be; for an aquarium this can reach ~25 mA @ 24 Volts with a pair of 12 V Brake-Light (#1157) car bulbs as a series current limitter, e.g. below 3 A. I gather a smaller generator would call for reduced voltage and current, "the lower the better" until some basic limit has been reached. It's important to remove electrode residues and flip polarity once a day in any case.

Empirical testing can be performed via the Faraday-Tyndall effect where a path of intense light forms a cone, only 0.04 to 0.2 ppm would suffice for sterilization purposes while saturation is reached near 30 ppm. It may prove handy to keep coffee filters around, to remove residues and prevent spontaneous formation of clusters, etc.

Seed maturation may require between 3 weeks to 1 month and 4 more weeks will be required for pollen production.

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Lets hope i didn't get it all wrong, or course corrections/precisions/comments would be most welcome and appreciated.

:peace:

Epic Genetics · Oct 13, 2013

as for high cbd in males , i couldnt comment as ive never had one properly tested , but if it is true then males would make for great medical concentrates

i see you do a lot of reading/studying , ive got something that might interest you

it has been mentioned that root issues can be fixed when watering with c.s. water , ive never done it or had to do it , but i guess it could make sence , one person swears it doesnt reverse your female plants , however im a bit leary on that , they would be taking in the c.s/silver through the roots would they not ?

and yeah your right , a male in a window would do better then a female would

peace :Cool:

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