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New Grower Defoliation????
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Epic Genetics
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ive been getting a mixed bag when doing that lol
peace
p.s. i still say whatever works for a person is what they should do
but i also say there is always more to learn , which i do almost daily with this plant
and this comes from an EX 2 decade defoliator <--- picture the terminator with a big cheesy grin and bloodshot eyes
If you are growing many plants, it is a necessary 'evil' required to get even growth and adequate penetration. It helps control the canopy, allow light to undergrowth allowing it time to catch up, and improves airflow.
You wont be hindering your plant by plucking a leaf that isn't in a position to photosynthesis light in the first place. One or two at a time should only be an issue if there are other problems present, IMO.
If you are growing monster plants,under a single light and your plants aren't growing over one another, there probably isn't much need for exfoliation.
If you think exfoliation is a silly myth, I suggest you venture over to some other websites and look at the results many experienced Vertical / Colliseum growers are achieving. They must defoliate and train heavily, on a regular basis. Granted those are photoperiod strains, but as we can all attest, the gap between photos and autos is a very thin line at this point....
Again, mileage may vary. Successful gardeners on both sides of the fence have achieved great results. As we all SHOULD be aware of by now, in this hobby, is that everything is determined by the CULMINATION of the multitude of variables in a given environment. Everything is situational, and dependant on everything else.
Read, experiment, and learn. Make decisions for yourself. Keep what you like, and leave the rest.
You wont be hindering your plant by plucking a leaf that isn't in a position to photosynthesis light in the first place. One or two at a time should only be an issue if there are other problems present, IMO.
If you are growing monster plants,under a single light and your plants aren't growing over one another, there probably isn't much need for exfoliation.
If you think exfoliation is a silly myth, I suggest you venture over to some other websites and look at the results many experienced Vertical / Colliseum growers are achieving. They must defoliate and train heavily, on a regular basis. Granted those are photoperiod strains, but as we can all attest, the gap between photos and autos is a very thin line at this point....
Again, mileage may vary. Successful gardeners on both sides of the fence have achieved great results. As we all SHOULD be aware of by now, in this hobby, is that everything is determined by the CULMINATION of the multitude of variables in a given environment. Everything is situational, and dependant on everything else.
Read, experiment, and learn. Make decisions for yourself. Keep what you like, and leave the rest.
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Epic Genetics
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i do grow "many plants at a time" , environment/setup makes the difference not plucking leaves
heath didnt defoliate when he got 4 pounds or was it 5 pounds growing vertical and only TWO plants
leaves dont block all the light that hits them , 85% passes through
peace
Heath grows vertical trees, and doesnt defoliate, you are right. He grows 4 plants, with 5 lights configured like the #5 on a dice if I recall.
For V-Scrog and donut types of vertical grows it is very difficult without alot of defoliating.
At the end of the day it comes down to the unique environment of the garden, as well as the gardeners style which we all can agree on. Find your style, and "Play YOUR game", as they say in sports.
I remember coming across a 180+ page pissing contest on another forum about defoliating. Always a highly contested issue. Unfortunately there is very little information about autos other than to avoid stressing them. I added some of the things I have noticed, which was my only intention. So I'm going to bow out now so I don't want to get piss on my brand new winter jacket.:roflcry:
I totally agree with Skatter about this. Do what you do, as we say in this part of the world. I am still a newb and still searching for my "own style". I learn so much on a daily basis the more I grow. I try to take what I learn and apply it to my own situation. I to have read thread on other forums and people do seem to lose there minds over this topic for some reason.
Depends on type of light. Might be near the 85% mark per passed leave. If light passes through 3-4 leaves and passes down into the lower leaf, it'll probably lower. I know that with LED, it has great light penetration so cutting is never needed.
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Epic Genetics
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not many leaves are stacked on top of each other and proper lighting is coming from different angles ie multiple lights , reflected light etc
leds are getting better at penetration but early leds werent so great , im no led expert though so will leave it at that
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Epic Genetics
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just be careful what you believe when you read , ie : we give the plants the nutrients they need so we dont need those leaves , that is far from true but has been posted as legitimate information in legitimate looking articles , when it is actually the leaves and light (photosynthesis) that convert the nutrients into what the plants need
long story short, dont believe everything you read, how many plant biology majors do you know that rape plants and trees for better production ? how many horticulturalists are doing it ?
peace
When I decided to start growing I did quite a bit of research. I have seen many successful grows with and without Defo.....For my situation, in my space under a 250hps I have judiciously pulled some leaves. I am really glad I did. I dont think of it as a rape, just giving more light and air flow to the lower part of the plant. I have taken maybe 15 leaves off 4 plants and i have seen noticable bud growth. I do agree that you can go to far and stunt the plant which totally defeats the purpose. Just my .02 cents.
Peace,
K
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