Current Live Stoners Gossip June/July/August 2017

[GodAmJT]

It (brown paper bags) does promote aspergillus mold according to Dj Short, heard him say it in a Q&A with Danny Danko from High Times, it's also in his book. A lot of people still do it though. I do sometimes but I give it a few days on a rack first then bag for about 5-7 days then jar. I'm getting some boveda packs though see how that helps.

I wonder how he came to that conclusion?? I'm a scientist at heart so i'm a big fan of evidence-based results, versus anecdotal evidence.. Perhaps where he lives, the spores are more prevalent?, I don't know, but I do know that everyone I know who grows and my past dozen grows have been done with brown paper bags, however, my biggest caveat is that I bud wash immediately after chopping, which is supposed to abate mold/fungal spores, so maybe it truly works??

Please don't take this the wrong way because I absolutely value your presence and contributions.. I just know with empirical evidence from soooo many people for decades, it's hard for me to buy into 1 person's theory without anything other than their personal experience.. Do they have an article or documents that lend some credence to their claim?? I'd be very interested in reading them for my own edification..

 

[Green Goblin]

The only thing I notice with paper bags is my buds stick to them...First world problems I guess. I usually hang them for about 2-3 days then in the bag for so long depending on temp and rh then to the jar for burping..While in the bags I turn the buds about twice a day for a quick breather. They are jarred when the stems bend with the slightest crack, then I determine further drying time with a hygrometer.

 

[GRODOR]

Nah still lookin bud. I went to my local headshoppe and they had some Randy vapes but they said they don't recommend them and don't like selling them to people haha.

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Damn. Guess I'll keep shopping around too.

 

[Ozone69]

I wonder how he came to that conclusion?? I'm a scientist at heart so i'm a big fan of evidence-based results, versus anecdotal evidence.. Perhaps where he lives, the spores are more prevalent?, I don't know, but I do know that everyone I know who grows and my past dozen grows have been done with brown paper bags, however, my biggest caveat is that I bud wash immediately after chopping, which is supposed to abate mold/fungal spores, so maybe it truly works??

Please don't take this the wrong way because I absolutely value your presence and contributions.. I just know with empirical evidence from soooo many people for decades, it's hard for me to buy into 1 person's theory without anything other than their personal experience.. Do they have an article or documents that lend some credence to their claim?? I'd be very interested in reading them for my own edification..

I think you do have to take what a lot of the so called experts in cannabis growing say with a grain of salt. Research things yourself and all that.

For example, I was just reading an article today in a weed centric publication where they were talking to so called experts about growing it. Here's what they had to say about ruderalis (autoflowering) strains:

Q: Tell us about the different strains of marijuana. How would people choose one?

A: There are three types of cannabis — indica, sativa and ruderalis.

Ruderalis is a ditch weed found in Europe with low THC content. The marijuana we’re familiar with is indica and sativa. Indica has higher CBN (a type of cannabinoid) content, which relieves pain and makes you lethargic. Sativa has the highest psychoactive content, is energizing and provides lucid thought. Most everything available today is a hybrid (and) carries the characteristics of both indica and sativa.

It may have it's limitations...but calling autoflowering strains "ditch weed found in Europe" just shows an ignorance on the subject that pretty much told me these folks were no "experts" in all things cannabis growing. :smoking:

 

[Z_Burp]

 

[johnp540]

I wonder how he came to that conclusion?? I'm a scientist at heart so i'm a big fan of evidence-based results, versus anecdotal evidence.. Perhaps where he lives, the spores are more prevalent?, I don't know, but I do know that everyone I know who grows and my past dozen grows have been done with brown paper bags, however, my biggest caveat is that I bud wash immediately after chopping, which is supposed to abate mold/fungal spores, so maybe it truly works??

Please don't take this the wrong way because I absolutely value your presence and contributions.. I just know with empirical evidence from soooo many people for decades, it's hard for me to buy into 1 person's theory without anything other than their personal experience.. Do they have an article or documents that lend some credence to their claim?? I'd be very interested in reading them for my own edification..

All good my friend. Just relaying what I heard. Since hearing it I've done some looking into it (aspergillus) myself. It's one of the most common types of mold there is. They claim it's more than likely, that we breath in its spores everyday. Almost impossible not to. I've got one link that doesn't point out paper bags itself but explains more about the mold itself. People who have comprised immune systems could get really sick and/or die as a result of aspergillosis and other mold infections. A good read for all of us and something to keep in mind, especially those of us who have patients. No offense taken at all by your questioning bud. Dj Short has been around quite some time, I respect and take heed to most he has to say. Not saying he's always right or anything. We all miss sometimes lol From what I've read though it's all about moisture and air flow, putting fresh bud in a paper bag may be risky. Like I said I use them but only after they've dried a few days. Anyways I'll stop rambling on lol here's the link. You've sparked my interest more now so if I find anymore I'll be sure to share. Do the same if you don't mind.
http://itsmedicinejim.blogspot.com/2008/04/danger-aspergillus-in-cannabis-can-kill.html?m=1

 

[johnp540]

I think you do have to take what a lot of the so called experts in cannabis growing say with a grain of salt. Research things yourself and all that.

For example, I was just reading an article today in a weed centric publication where they were talking to so called experts about growing it. Here's what they had to say about ruderalis (autoflowering) strains:




It may have it's limitations...but calling autoflowering strains "ditch weed found in Europe" just shows an ignorance on the subject that pretty much told me these folks were no "experts" in all things cannabis growing. :smoking:

Sounds like said expert just done some reading in older unrevised grow books lol it's 2017 it's not ditchweed anymore, at least not always. Sure that's where autos come from, and it still exists, but not the autos we're growing. Not to mention they left out Afghani as a type.

 

[johnp540]

@Ozone69 What publication did you read that in? Just curious. Sorry to post twice I forgot to ask In The first.

 

[GRODOR]

Nah still lookin bud. I went to my local headshoppe and they had some Randy vapes but they said they don't recommend them and don't like selling them to people haha.

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Dude the Aviator 2 looks pretty legit. 3in1 dry herb, oil, or wax. Ceramic bowl, glass mouth piece. $100 n perfect for noobs. Looking pretty good so far lol

 

[Ozone69]

@Ozone69 What publication did you read that in? Just curious. Sorry to post twice I forgot to ask In The first.

It was an older article from The Cannabist, a cannabis news spin off site from the Denver Post, talking about growing it. Actually from like 2013 or 14, but had shown up as a "related article" link to something else, I think. The guys they were interviewing were a couple co-owners of a medical dispensary.