Current Live Stoners Gossip June/July/August 2017

[budelee]

Shoot, heres the best i can do... Snail man!!!

 

[pop22]

If all that mattered was yield, we'd all grow photo periods because, even with the currently available good yielding autos, photo periods are still superior in that department. And F1 cross is a collection of all the available genetics of the 2 plants, and all dominant genes prevail. You can't select for the traits you actually desire till later generations.
A super auto / semi auto will never be a stable strain because once you go to F2, the genetics begin to shake out into photos and autos again, thats how you find the autos in an auto/phot cross. The you take those that auto and the earliest males and make F3 auto seeds. These will be a larger percentage of auto flowering plants F5 is considered the beginning point of stabilization.

Creating an F1 strain is not work, it is only step one in a long process.

I do like your answer. And I see the logic in it. And I like the discussion. But you're now actually starting a different discussion altogether. Now it's about if it's a lazy breeder or intentionally put to market. You think it's laziness.
Unfortunately, I can't refute this. I do not know anything about breeding. It seems to me that if a breeder reaches the state where a strain is stable (I agree on you there, it should be stable, which means what, exactly?) but discovers that it brings decent yields if you set the light cycle during flowering at 12/12, hè has a few choices:
1. Toss all his work and start again.
2. Try breeding on (but here I have no idea if this is a viable choice, because I know nothing about breeding)
3. Market it and inform us in all honesty about what it is.

I would choose 3. Why? I have put a lot of time and effort in breeding a perfectly stable strain.
It produces great yields. (If I have to guess, mine will yield me about 90 grams of dried bud under a 144w LED on 3.3ft²)
AND this yield can be (and this sound weird, but read my previous post) obtained with less light. Which is a great unique selling point.

The risk that are opposing these chances are that people won't understand and insist on keeping lights on for 24 hours and then complain that the yield sucks...

That risk can be managed by clearly staying that these seeds are semi-auto and explaining that to get the best yield 12/12 is recommended during flowering. Which this company does.

Is this laziness?

Maybe they should

Also you implicitly state that every autoflower should be able to handle 24/0 light. In other words: every autoflower should give the best yield when you give it 24/0 light.

If you define an autoflower by stating that it needs to have the DNA that provides the automatic switch AND the characteristic that it should ALWAYS give the best yield when kept on 24/0 during its entire life, you win. In that case, my semi-autofflowering plant is not worthy being called an autoflower.

It's just that...is that really the definition of an autoflower? I think not.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

C'mon @budelee.. @Son of Hobbes' wants to see the semi

I text him a picture of it this morning when I woke up. He didn't seem all that impressed.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

If all that mattered was yield, we'd all grow photo periods because, even with the currently available good yielding autos, photo periods are still superior in that department. And F1 cross is a collection of all the available genetics of the 2 plants, and all dominant genes prevail. You can't select for the traits you actually desire till later generations.
A super auto / semi auto will never be a stable strain because once you go to F2, the genetics begin to shake out into photos and autos again, thats how you find the autos in an auto/phot cross. The you take those that auto and the earliest males and make F3 auto seeds. These will be a larger percentage of auto flowering plants F5 is considered the beginning point of stabilization.

Creating an F1 strain is not work, it is only step one in a long process.

 

[budelee]

I text him a picture of it this morning when I woke up. He didn't seem all that impressed.

Ahh gat..touche!!!!

 

[stepside]

I text him a picture of it this morning when I woke up. He didn't seem all that impressed.

You must need a better camera or something.. eP said it was quite impressive even though it was just a semi

 

[Ozone69]

Regular bee
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Super bee
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WTF would be a semi bee?

Maybe a different genetic branch of the Guinea Bee's?

 

[Scirzo]

I did, thank you for replying! I totally hear your points man; I just think based on what we've all discussed here (myself included, at the end of the day I'm just a guy behind a computer/phone trying to form educated opinions like everyone else) it's still pretty subjective. I mean I get the explanation part of it (I don't necessarily agree with it.) The necessity is the part I don't get. I don't think it's necessary; the "super auto" name for autoflowering genetics that have a longer veg/flower (why not just say on the strain info that it has a longer veg/flower? The "super" part could be ENTIRELY skipped and we could just have information on veg/flower time. My point was that I think the "super auto" term seems more like a marketing thing, not an actual scientific phenomenon. So what if an autoflower has a longer veg and flower time? What if I start breeding and I come out with a strain that finishes around 90+ days, do I have the right to start coining it as a super auto? It's marketing

I've made my case about the semi-auto in a previous post



YES! This man has got IT ladies and gents! And there needs to be some standards for SURE. I've often wondered how they come up with the THC percentages, is that POTENTIAL THC, is that the highest level it tested out of 10 tests, etc etc. We're truly taking people for their word with some of this stuff.

See! We do agree. Yes it is marketing. Is that a good thing and should there be a standard? Can there be a standard? I'd love to hear and join in.

 

[Green Goblin]

Little Super Skunk sample for my neighbor Topped off with some scissor hash and kief..Oh man they're going to be soaring lol

 

[Gauge Steel]

See! We do agree. Yes it is marketing. Is that a good thing and should there be a standard? Can there be a standard? I'd love to hear and join in.

Breeders following a standard they all agree on. Good Luck.