Current Live Stoners Gossip June/July/August 2017

[9bear]

Well I'm on my first grow so I'm just now learning what works best but I'm better prepared now then I was a few weeks ago thanks to this community. I think once I get this tent and a new light I might enter into my first grow battle.

The best decision you made was to join the crazy's here . It's all upward from here on in .

 

[pop22]

I sure would so I can ask all of the to justify selling only fem seed!

Would you guys have any interest if I were to see if we can get all the breeders on AFN, the indie's and the commercial breeders, together for a group topic discussion about it? The state of the seed industry in general. The state of the breeding industry, marketing stuff, etc. I would think there'd be some hot topics to talk about it, especially in light of the Josie Wales thing and Gorilla Glue [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG].

Would you guys be game for something like that? Then we'd have industry guys giving us professional opinions on top of our back-and-forth discussions.

 

[pop22]

Thats' why so much of commercial seed is crap. The almighty buck reigns over having a quality product. I can't wait to hear some breeders pipe up and make excuses.........

hard to find something that the breeder didn't make f1.. they don't want theyre work being copied too eazy
the breeders that put stuff out with pure traits are good peoples lmao
most will get their work solidified and then cross it with everything that's hot for 20 lines

 

[mohawk warrior]

I sure would so I can ask all of the to justify selling only fem seed!

has to do with what I mentioned.. copy cats.. fem will give females like it says but also fucks with the dna.
plays with the double helix lmao
gives a herm possibility more light.in future offspring.. its always there on any plant... they came from monocious or w/e the fuck
mo's airin it out in LiveStoners lmao

 

[Scirzo]

I agree. In my opinion if it doesn't automatically flower, it's not a true autoflower.

I'm being opinionated, but I think semi-auto's are just an excuse for sloppy breeding. "It's not fully autoflowering, should we keep going?" "nah, fuck it. let's call it a semi-auto and sell it for the same price as solid, stable genetics."



So basically the breeder didn't take it far enough for it to fully auto? I too recommend switching things to 12/12, they are called photoperiod plants lol. I'm totally just teasing bud, but in all seriousness it just seems like someone did half the work and is trying to sell it to us. I have a tent full of photoperiod plants on 24/0 lighting, they are a little older than a month and many have sexed already. Why wouldn't I just grow that on 12/12 if that was my plight? Same veg as what is being suggested for a semi-auto, same light cycle for flowering. Only difference is that the claim is a semi-auto can still flower on other schedules, just not to it's potential max. Again, I'm sitting here with cartoon blinking eyes going "whaaaaat?" Why even market something like that "you can flower this on 24/0 but it will probably suck, but if you do it the way everyone is USED to growing photoperiods, you'll get a plant that is just like a photoperiod!"

Hey maybe I'm wrong. In 5 years maybe the market will be saturated with semi-autoflowering plants, not quite a photo, but not quite an auto in the sense you can just set and forget the light schedule lol.

I do like your answer. And I see the logic in it. And I like the discussion. But you're now actually starting a different discussion altogether. Now it's about if it's a lazy breeder or intentionally put to market. You think it's laziness.
Unfortunately, I can't refute this. I do not know anything about breeding. It seems to me that if a breeder reaches the state where a strain is stable (I agree on you there, it should be stable, which means what, exactly?) but discovers that it brings decent yields if you set the light cycle during flowering at 12/12, hè has a few choices:
1. Toss all his work and start again.
2. Try breeding on (but here I have no idea if this is a viable choice, because I know nothing about breeding)
3. Market it and inform us in all honesty about what it is.

I would choose 3. Why? I have put a lot of time and effort in breeding a perfectly stable strain.
It produces great yields. (If I have to guess, mine will yield me about 90 grams of dried bud under a 144w LED on 3.3ft²)
AND this yield can be (and this sound weird, but read my previous post) obtained with less light. Which is a great unique selling point.

The risk that are opposing these chances are that people won't understand and insist on keeping lights on for 24 hours and then complain that the yield sucks...

That risk can be managed by clearly staying that these seeds are semi-auto and explaining that to get the best yield 12/12 is recommended during flowering. Which this company does.

Is this laziness?

Maybe they should

Also you implicitly state that every autoflower should be able to handle 24/0 light. In other words: every autoflower should give the best yield when you give it 24/0 light.

If you define an autoflower by stating that it needs to have the DNA that provides the automatic switch AND the characteristic that it should ALWAYS give the best yield when kept on 24/0 during its entire life, you win. In that case, my semi-autofflowering plant is not worthy being called an autoflower.

It's just that...is that really the definition of an autoflower? I think not.

 

[stepside]

I sure would so I can ask all of the to justify selling only fem seed!

I think the only justification for selling only fem seeds would be.. alot of people want them.. if you're not breeding males are a waste of time and money.. I think you should be able to choose whether or not you want fem or regular...

 

[Cotton46]

Wish I could man for real I pass there going to be a small yield I think hope she tastes good can't wait to find out though first time I've ever grown her. Kind of caught me off guard start flowering before I thought she was ready to that's alright it's been flowering sense late June.

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Looks Bad ass bro

 

[Cotton46]

Love it man i thought i was the only one that did that lol. I leave Spotify on in the background for my girls, mostly old classic rock and they seem to love it as much as my dog does heh

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Well as I was growing up the oldies guided me into full bloom hahahaha

 

[pop22]

5 more years people who are breeding best have their shit together, Just read that Monsanto already owns genetic patents that cover up to 50% of currently available strain. The minute we have federal legalization, the hammer is going to drop.

if there good... but they are lazy and wait for people to do it for them.. cause most places need that info befor they can put it in a shop..
but they juice stats like I mentioned.. too many shadey cats..
I feel breeders should get this info for their selves and share it..
why wouldn't you. you can almost tell what genetics are used now a days
5 more years we gonna see crazy stuff

 

[L0wbob2017]

I did, thank you for replying! I totally hear your points man; I just think based on what we've all discussed here (myself included, at the end of the day I'm just a guy behind a computer/phone trying to form educated opinions like everyone else) it's still pretty subjective. I mean I get the explanation part of it (I don't necessarily agree with it.) The necessity is the part I don't get. I don't think it's necessary; the "super auto" name for autoflowering genetics that have a longer veg/flower (why not just say on the strain info that it has a longer veg/flower? The "super" part could be ENTIRELY skipped and we could just have information on veg/flower time. My point was that I think the "super auto" term seems more like a marketing thing, not an actual scientific phenomenon. So what if an autoflower has a longer veg and flower time? What if I start breeding and I come out with a strain that finishes around 90+ days, do I have the right to start coining it as a super auto? It's marketing

I've made my case about the semi-auto in a previous post



YES! This man has got IT ladies and gents! And there needs to be some standards for SURE. I've often wondered how they come up with the THC percentages, is that POTENTIAL THC, is that the highest level it tested out of 10 tests, etc etc. We're truly taking people for their word with some of this stuff.

So for you to accept this grouping thing it need to be scientific proved that a certain strain has different characterisitcs than a strain that is considered as a "normal" autoflowering?

What if we would have found 3 different types of ruderalis at once, that all got their own special characteristics but in common that they switch automatically to flower? should these 3 types be grouped together in one group or in 3 different groups? and after science found out they differ they get divided again ?

Thats the same with dividing photo's into sativa and indica. They differ from each other, maybe not in the light cycle part but in others ( flower time ). These different characterisitcs maybe dont lead to a different need in they way of growing it, but it is a difference. ( and it is scientifically proved )

Maybe it is just a marketing thing but wether it is not yet proved to be a true thing or not, it may be a good thing to label it right from the beginning. Sure the word "super" hasnt been taken because it describes the characteristics
but thats for long time not the case anymore ( Super silver haze or XXL strains ). So wether the word "super" is now taken for autoflowering strains that got a longer veg time or another word, doesnt matter, it is the way of labeling these kind of strains with that characteristics. ( i get your point, you would find it a lot better when this info wasnt right in the name and instead in the info like the sativa / indica parts or the flowering time for photos. )

Maybe in future there will be an autoflowering strain with super long veg time, super long flower time and they gonna call it slow autoflowering. At least you can see right from the name what kind of autoflowering this seed is. This can be better for newbies. But using words like "super" isnt a new thing...

You can say the same thing about photo's that got super in their name. Just because you dont like it, means it is a bad thing.