Oh I've seen plenty folk that can do it like. Just seems to be me it doesn't work for. Tried everything. Top fed, bottom fed, 3 gal, 5 gal, blurples, hps, doesn't matter what I do, of I don't abuse them they just don't yield. Even had a bunch of brooklynne sunrise that got 4ft tall and still got 4oz avg from them.
Couple grow offs coming up though so the bondage table be getting plenty of action