Cloning autos, the key may be tissue culture!

This needs more looking into, but I've always suspected that tissue culture was the key t cloning autos. There is an excellent article on growweedeasy on tissue culture and her mentions that it works for autos and seems to reset the clock! No direct link to auto information was included but I'm looking into this more. I had always thought that using a very young seedling might be the key but it seems that using bud fragments holds the answers.

https://www.growweedeasy.com/live-plant-cannabis-tissue-culture
Hey Pop22, I hope all is well.

I've decided it's time to take back my work of autoflowers by ordering an Athena Tissue Culture kit to experiment with preservation of autoflower genetics via the route of tissue cultures!

I'll try to keep on and post updated as things progress!
 
Hey Pop22, I hope all is well.

I've decided it's time to take back my work of autoflowers by ordering an Athena Tissue Culture kit to experiment with preservation of autoflower genetics via the route of tissue cultures!

I'll try to keep on and post updated as things progress!
Interesting stuff. You Should get a thread going on it, Grafings is cool too
 
Hey Pop22, I hope all is well.

I've decided it's time to take back my work of autoflowers by ordering an Athena Tissue Culture kit to experiment with preservation of autoflower genetics via the route of tissue cultures!

I'll try to keep on and post updated as things progress!
Damn it! Your post made me think pop22 had made an appearance!

He's been MIA for quite a while!
 
Hey Everyone, been on an extended sabattical, seeing the world & "living large" if anyone remembers me.

This has been a topic of interest for me ever since I watched FastBud's Gorilla Glue strain go from the best yielding and smoking strain I've ever grown, to one of the biggest turds ever to gome out of my grow room. It seems the real challenge in stabilizing an autoflower strain is, how do you maintain a standard reference parent for breeding / back crossing? It's a seed-only thing, and we all know how recessive genes and multiple phenotypes keep screwing up a seed's plant profile. You can't maintain a "real" autoflower mother plant long enough to complete more than (maybe) one back cross if you're lucky, and that's just not enough!
But in my thirst for knowledge, I came across an excellent article from Royal Queen Seeds on tissue culture:
The last time I was in search of new strains, I revisited & lurked around here to discover that RQS has gained an excellent reputation for strain stability as well as overall strain quality. And, I believe is a supporting member of some stature? Has anyone reached out to them to see if they might author a learning thread here? I've grown a few varieties of their seeds and have been very impressed with the quality - not repeated enough to prove strain stability to myself, but their reputation with other growers here, and the science in their (linked above) article really helps make sense of the uses of tissue culture in stabilizing strains.
Think about it - a truly permanent supply of both the male and female autoflower parentals for backcross stabilizations, as well as breeding more desirable characteristics into future strains. A photoperiod equivalent parental similar to what the original landrace Skunk did for photoperiods, and what LowRyder did for so many auto strains many years ago.
For example, leaf-to-bud ratio. How many strains have you grown that staredt out looking amazing, only to have the entire tent consumed by fan leaves choking out all the bud sites??? Am I the only one pissed about that when it happens?
It appears many European breeders are already embracing tissue culture for strain stabilization, as well as some Denver based breeders (don't remember where I read that) who contract their tissue culture requirements out to 3rd party specialists who will, for a fee, indefinitely maintain a parental of any breed, strain, type as long as you need it.
Imagine the possibilities - I recall a couple of decades ago when I was an active guerilla grower of photoperiods, maintaining a 48" wide shelf full of bonsai mothers (even did a couple of males as well). I could keep anywhere from 12 to 20 mothers alive & healthy in my own RDWC hydro system occupying one shelf. And I never needed it, but one full height shelf would have supported two bonsai plant shelfs. Now imagine a 1" diameter test tube holding your mother indefinitely - that same 48" shelf could support over 500 mothers!!! Just plan ahead a few months to propagate a clip to a "real" plant, back cross, or just re-visit a favored strain after a length of time.

One of the most interesting facets of tissue culture I encountered is how experienced vendors can actually heal and recover a virus-infected strain that, in past years, would have been lost forever. Now, with advances in tissue culture, specialists can practically recreate the strain, filtering out the genetic anomalies so that the resulting plant emerges bigger / better / faster / stronger / sexier than ever before. Like if Superman could be regenerated to not be allergic to kryptonite!

Anyway, just a thought. Seeing this thread makes me wonder, does anyone here have a contact at Royal Queen? I don't have the name recognition or authority to reach out, but perhaps the AFN management team does?
 
I recall a couple of decades ago when I was an active guerilla grower of photoperiods, maintaining a 48" wide shelf full of bonsai mothers (even did a couple of males as well). I could keep anywhere from 12 to 20 mothers alive & healthy in my own RDWC hydro system occupying one shelf. And I never needed it, but one full height shelf would have supported two bonsai plant shelfs. Now imagine a 1" diameter test tube holding your mother indefinitely - that same 48" shelf could support over 500 mothers!!! Just plan ahead a few months to propagate a clip to a "real" plant, back cross, or just re-visit a favored strain after a length of time.
This same thing has got me interested in tissue culture. But I wouldn't just toss the P1's in exchange for the TC. One thing in the process that goes wrong and you have nothing left. Also, for photo's this could work, but don't know if the same applies for auto's as this is the thing what would make using TC in my breeding project a real help.

One of the most interesting facets of tissue culture I encountered is how experienced vendors can actually heal and recover a virus-infected strain that, in past years, would have been lost forever. Now, with advances in tissue culture, specialists can practically recreate the strain, filtering out the genetic anomalies so that the resulting plant emerges bigger / better / faster / stronger / sexier than ever before. Like if Superman could be regenerated to not be allergic to kryptonite!
I've read the same, but an ordinary grower/breeder doesn't have that kind of equipment needed to remove pathogens from TC. This requires a sterile lab, microscopes of many thousands or €'s and many more items that would drive the cost up way to high to begin with.

Anyway, just a thought. Seeing this thread makes me wonder, does anyone here have a contact at Royal Queen? I don't have the name recognition or authority to reach out, but perhaps the AFN management team does?
Don't know of any rep for RQS here on the forum bud. I could be mistaken though :shrug:
 
Thanks for the reply, BA. I have read a few other studies, and searched the web for affordable kits & there are some out there. Naturally, if they are selling the kits they would tend to downplay the complexity. But the articles I have read state it can be done without all the special purpose single-use hardware, just that you have to be very diligent about your work area. Supposedly, once the tissue culture is placed in the test tube the contamination risk goes way down. I may see how my summer adventures line up & if there's extra time I could give it a whirl.
But in all honesty, my real interest is why don't the big breeders embrace this technology when stabilizing their strains? I believe RQS does that, thus their blog I linked in earlier. I'm lazy & tend to put my problems off on others to do the heavy lifting!
Thanks again, maybe someone knows their way into Royal Queen's tech team.

Edit note: the research I have done does state clearly that the time-to-bloom clock will reset to day 1 when performing tissue cultures on autoflowers. That's even better than photoperiod clones taking the age of the mother , which by virtue of the hold in vegetative growth mode puts the clone lifecycle 1 to 2 weeks from bloom.
 
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I've often wondered about putting autos in TC.
I have a TC lab so maybe I just need to start up cupla autos and get it done instead of wondering.
I'll back up what Bob was saying, in that to remove viruses from genetics, you need a microscope to take the tiny portion of (hopefully) unaffected meristem.
I'm doing a side by side of a grow where I 'cleaned up' an old 'tired' cut of Northern Lights x Big Bud, growing out clones next to some grown from TC explant. Pretty much at harvest now and haven't noticed any difference tbh, possibly because I've dialled in a few things and everything is absolutely cranking 😁
 
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