A discussion about CBD and Auto flowers! Let's talk about it!

[Time]

I don't know what kind of breeding auto breeders are doing for CBD strains but I do know if they want to sell seeds and the market calls for more CBD, the breeders will do the breeding. They gave us high thc. :smoking:

Just from the grows I've seen on the forum more and more auto growers are growing CBD strains. I'm even growing one. With that kind of demand, I don't believe the auto breeders are going to ignore the market. They are silly if they do.

I plan to grow several CBD strains to try and will be re-buying and growing the one(s) I like best so breeders might want to keep that in mind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if they want me to buy their seeds more than once. I'm not very cerebral when it comes to the canna I like or don't like. I try it and go from there.

 

[HashMaster]

This would take years, and hundreds of tests. And you still couldnt guarantee or quote a CBD range of those seeds. This is a great example of why I wanted to start this convo! I don't think breeders are doing that kind of inbreeding or back crossing on autos. I've never seen the bx term used in any autos from any of the major breeders. And I definitely don't think they are testing for cbd on their CBD autos. I've seen Dinafem I think and maybe sweet seeds list a 1:1 ratio for CBD strains. But that only tells the ratio. It tells you nothing about percentage. So it could be 1:1 with 5% thc and 5% cbd. I just don't think they've figured out the whole cbd/autoflower puzzle yet. I'm sure they will. But right now to me, it isn't making much sense, lol. I love this type of discussion though! If we can talk through this we might stumble on a way to improve the current state of cbd and autos

IMHO the current state of CBD autos is that they are still in the "flavor of the month" fad stage.... fine for recreational, but not much use for medicinal... but still getting lots of hype as medicinal.

I mfg. Medicinal CBD products and 99% of the autos out now do not contain a high enough % of CBD to reach even a minimal therapeutic level so they are not much use to me.

I just got done with some inhouse testing of some Dinafem Dinamed that shows some promise for medicinal... so when I send in the next couple of batch test samples I am also going to get a full lab analysis done on the Dinamed.

 

[Proph]

I don't know what kind of breeding auto breeders are doing for CBD strains but I do know if they want to sell seeds and the market calls for more CBD, the breeders will do the breeding. They gave us high thc. :smoking:

Just from the grows I've seen on the forum more and more auto growers are growing CBD strains. I'm even growing one. With that kind of demand, I don't believe the auto breeders are going to ignore the market. They are silly if they do.

I plan to grow several CBD strains to try and will be re-buying and growing the one(s) I like best so breeders might want to keep that in mind,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,if they want me to buy their seeds more than once. I'm not very cerebral when it comes to the canna I like or don't like. I try it and go from there.

That's another reason I want to talk about this subject, because the hype is real. But there is no evidence/proof of any level of cbd being in any of the cbd autos I've seen grown on the forum.. Because no one is testing. But people are swearing by the results/effects. That's why I mentioned the placebo effect earlier. Im wondering if people are convinced by just the three letters alone. What if you tested the plant youre growing now and it had zero cbd? Would you feel like the breeders should add a disclaimer at that point?

IMHO the current state of CBD autos is that they are still in the "flavor of the month" fad stage.... fine for recreational, but not much use for medicinal... but still getting lots of hype as medicinal.

I mfg. Medicinal CBD products and 99% of the autos out now do not contain a high enough % of CBD to reach even a minimal therapeutic level so they are not much use to me.

I just got done with some inhouse testing of some Dinafem Dinamed that shows some promise for medicinal... so when I send in the next couple of batch test samples I am also going to get a full lab analysis done on the Dinamed.

That's pretty much where my head is at as well. I know that autos don't have enough cbd to make potent cbd edibles or tentures. Not yet at least. I think it's the flavor of the month kind of thing as well. Like Time said, the breeders would be silly to ingnore the market demand! I havent seen any real test results from cbd autos. I like Dinafem and their photo period strains, and would grow out their cbd regs. But until we start seeing some real numbers from lab tests, I can't see autos and cbd making the best relationship for home medical growers.

 

[tobe]

Hi @Prophetiko
Breeding for CBD needs much tests you are right.
I started with a Harle tsu z6 x autoCBD haze it's a high cbd strain from my friend @StickMan it's not full autoflower but you will find some auto phenos. The chance to get a high cbd pheno is 20:1 if I know right.

I have grow them a few times. In my last grow I found a auto pheno with high cbd tested with the beam test. I can only say it's high cbd but no percentage because I haven't sent a sample to a lab.

I pollinate the Harle auto girl with pollen from a powerkush autoduck indica pheno.

The next round I will plant 100 seeds to select for two different traits CBD and the webbed leaf's. I will breed them over 4 generation to get a full webbed plant.

Then I will do a bx and go the same way again. It will take a few years to get a CBD autoduck. For me personal I see it as a challenge for my breeding skills.

I wouldn't call the cross CBD blablabla after i have CBD amount in all the offspring generation.

Have a nice day
cu tobe

 

[NastyN8t]

I know for sure @jingo tested a cbd grow from dinafem and found that they did infact grow at a 1:1 ratio. I too have been pondering the conundrum of how to test for cbd. We all know how to test the potency of thc but most of us dont send it off to verify, we can just tell. I think once u learn how cbd feels then it will b easier to determine if ur smoking the good stuff similar to how we detect thc w a lighter......

Im going to start crossing high cbd into the mix and will most likely be using home test too . any links?

 

[jingo]

I know for sure @jingo tested a cbd grow from dinafem and found that they did infact grow at a 1:1 ratio. I too have been pondering the conundrum of how to test for cbd. We all know how to test the potency of thc but most of us dont send it off to verify, we can just tell. I think once u learn how cbd feels then it will b easier to determine if ur smoking the good stuff similar to how we detect thc w a lighter......

Im going to start crossing high cbd into the mix and will most likely be using home test too . any links?

Yeah I found the results with the industrial plant CBD to be exactly what Dinafem said they were. I pretty much trust what Dinafem has to say about their high-cbd plants.

I've tested tincture from some of their other strains and from my experience of testing tincture their other strains also come out right on.

 

[dankstyle J]

My dad used to grow some of the highest tested clone onlys of cbd Frank's gift, Lucy lion ECT .An from personal experience as a medical patient with several qualifying medical conditions that cannabis relieves I get my best results from strains that have thc as well as the other cannabinoids In fact my best results are with mixed strains mixed hash .Also as a medical patient who medicates daily I'm not going to get ripped off of anything but my pain an anxiety will be less .I believe in whole plant medicine !!

 

[NastyN8t]

https://www.softsecrets.com/gb/medical/health/cbd-testing-breeding-2-0/

Here's an article detailing some of dinafems cbd breeding practices.... Also i know that the thc:cbd ratio stays constant throughout the life cycle . this means u can detect the target ratio ur are breeding for within ur gene pool at an early age (with lab test) and increases the likely hood that u will pass that on to future generations. That adds another trait to select for then target the other genetic expressions like potency, flavor ,structure etc.... Atleast this is my understanding

 

[Proph]

Indeed. You are on the right track. Here is an example of what Ive done so far.. I had three CBD seedling tested at 10 days above soil.. 2 out of three were female. Only one of the females had relevant traces of CBD. [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] is the only one that tested positive for cbd. So [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] would be the one you'd want to breed with in hopes of passing that trait on.. And this was a pack of seeds labeled as a cbd strain. It would take a ton of testing and several generations to lock down the cbd trait and I haven't seen any breeders putting up the dough for that to properly happen. When breeders say things like 1:1 ratio, they tend to leave out the percentage because they usually come out like these.. So 1:1 could mean 2% cbd and 2% thc. I wonder if breeders will ever release their actual test results.. .

 

[NastyN8t]

So 1 of 2 was had cbd expression at close to 1:1.sounds like the breeder needs to work on locking it down. As far as percentage goes id have to agree that the advertised max % is no more the genetic potential but may not be neccesarily realized for each cultivar ,same as thc strains. I anticipate a ton of r&d time and $ will be well spent perfecting the the cbd autos of the future ....