A couple of basic breeding questions

[Nelson]

I am not sure that chemically stressed is the term I would use for removing a hormone from a plant. Induced maleness by chemical means I am not sure stresses a plant only in the term that stressed plants can be made to produce male flowers and pollen. While chemically treating them to produce the same effect is not stressing the plant by light or food. I think using the same word for both could be argued to be correct I think it just leads to confusion.

I always use a second female or fmany females to be the target plantes to make feminised seeds. I throw the seeds away that are produced on the chemically altered female plant. Again it is just my practise to do so. I have conducted no studies on my practise I just went on the advice of others and it made sence in my head to do it.

For my first post on this Site. Would you agree Cres, that pollen from a chemically stressed female is better used on another female or cut from the mom - ie. beans from the selfed plant may carry the hermie trait? I dont know - but I've read this in several places.

 

[Clone Ranger]

Hi,
Thanks and perhaps "stressed" is not correct in that sentance.
But, my belief is that any chemical intervention to natural growth will cause a degree of stress.
If you are assuring me that all (and I mean all), the male flowers produced are due to the chemicals and none are there due to stress - I've learnt something and thankyou and I bow to your knowledge.
However, I believe that that there is a distinct possibility that this is not the case though and this is why seeds from the selfed plant should not be used in a Breeding Project.
Many thanks for aiding me to think that through.

 

[Nelson]

All I can tell you is what I have learned from my own experience. About 10 years ago I gave up using the word sure. There is nothing I am sure about.

Is it possible that hermies could spring out of using colloidal silver or some similar chemical. The answer is I have done it about fifteen times and haven't had a herme problem yet with the offspring. I real fussy ass breeder whom I am not might just stress a bunch of females to try and eliminate any hermes that would be naturally occuring. I don't do this but I would tip my hat toany breeder who took the time and effort to do so.

Breeding is hardly ever a black and white experience many greys in there. You seem to be a black and white type of guy. Seeking Imperical beliefs and methods. I'm a shade of grey type of guy so feel free to seek out someone who is more black and white. Good luck with it.

Hi,
Thanks and perhaps "stressed" is not correct in that sentance.
But, my belief is that any chemical intervention to natural growth will cause a degree of stress.
If you are assuring me that all (and I mean all), the male flowers produced are due to the chemicals and none are there due to stress - I've learnt something and thankyou and I bow to your knowledge.
However, I believe that that there is a distinct possibility that this is not the case though and this is why seeds from the selfed plant should not be used in a Breeding Project.
Many thanks for aiding me to think that through.

 

[Clone Ranger]

I know Nelson - it's a time consuming project.
I have been stress testing all year - side by side with the breeding and it's a pain in the rear - but it helps to eliminate the obvious probs - but maybe not all.
I've done PH and light interuptions - grown em out and smoked em - helps with the pheno hunt at the same time.
I would never claim 100% certainty - dont see how anyone can.
Like you - I'm grey too - many thanks for your input and I hope we cross paths here many times - I love debate as I notice you do and I'm open to any views - how else do we learn?

 

[Nelson]

I like the fact you are at least experimenting with this stuff. Totally cool. It is where real learning occurs. Being willing to learn and be influenced by your own tests will make you a valuable asset to the growing truths that many on this site seek.

I look forward to talking in the future and I applaud your greyness.

I know Nelson - it's a time consuming project.
I have been stress testing all year - side by side with the breeding and it's a pain in the rear - but it helps to eliminate the obvious probs - but maybe not all.
I've done PH and light interuptions - grown em out and smoked em - helps with the pheno hunt at the same time.
I would never claim 100% certainty - dont see how anyone can.
Like you - I'm grey too - many thanks for your input and I hope we cross paths here many times - I love debate as I notice you do and I'm open to any views - how else do we learn?

 

[Clone Ranger]

Grey on top as well!
I'd love to hear about what you do Med. strain wise - I'm getting an urge in that direction - maybe a new thread or something? I'm always interested and know very little.