Who's reversing plants too?

Steppa said:

Good on you Fitzy... you're doing it properly... as many othets are, on the down-low and hopefully you'll get good returns in time!... old skool genetics and strains were hard to come by, even harder now!.. people have lost sight of where this all started and now just putting the latest multihybrids hype plants together and hoping to produce the next zcoogelanties or whatever.? Cheese is just skunk ffs!..and so on... most new strains are a cross from a tried and tested heritage genepool with an 'unknown ' strain conveniently!... I mean how hard is that? That's just luck if you ask me!... easy now...

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Steppa said:

I hear ya man... I'm new to autoflower growing... but I see you've got to breed the photo plant traits you desire into the auto plant you want!.. I wouldn't have the patience!.. I've got a sickly plant that has shown nanners due to the environment it's in, fluctuating temps etc yet a plant from the same 'batch' hasn't faulted!.. I hope it makes it to produce viable seeds, for my needs autos guerrilla style. But the minute a feminised photo plant hermies it'd be gone!. Regular seeds are more stable, their either male or female the end!.. and as you say more potent I've seen male plants grown out and smoked on them even cos theyve produced sugar leaves... that's when you know you're onto something not just collecting a brush full of pollen from the first couple of ballsacks and expecting the f1's to be cup winners!.. keep up the good/hard work... easy now...

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Fitzy said:

The thing that sucks is most of wat I've seen from even legit breeders there stills lots of pheno variations ect time wise structure potency ect which is why I started now a quick way that I've seen used is back crossing after f2 f3 and then brought to f2 and they say it's an inbred line when in reality it's not. There are lots of great strains that come from pollen chucking its just when dick heads don't explain the genetics that I have a problem I've had aswell as most gg4 which was a accident I personally think you can select all you want but if nature wants wat ever it's going to get it we also don't fully understand how environment affects which genes are active the next generation. So far even clones I've seen large difference in overall structure plant and bud grown side by side even breeders are getting surprise pheno ask Scott@ raredankness with ghost train haze he said it in an interview he found a 6%cubs pheno out of nowhere which not only wasn't bread for but not 1 plant tested prior was over 1% ever so even stable award winning genetics can have multiple phenos and rates @ which you see them. Either way there is a lot to it I even run the ones I don't like as much just to see and tbh it's very easy to do this tag branches harvest pollen before it drops as to not contaminate and solo cup to not take up room ect super easy and safe and won't impact ur product that ultimately we all want. I also think even with best practices it's still a crap shoot unless you have a massive space, I will say thought as far as wat I've been doing every plant I've grown has been as good as the originals with some being really good so depending on wat your looking for I personally find it hard to find quality genetics even with all the supposed good breeders which forced me to explore this side and I've also noticed the same strain in fem version is weaker in general then the fem of same strain something is lost during this process and finding reg autos is difficult never mind quality ones lol so I hope to spread the wealth sorta speak.

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Olderfart said:

Good point on the solo cup approach to making some pollen. If I try reversing this winter, I will likely do exactly that - an initial grow in very small containers, collect and store the pollen, then on to the proper grow and careful pollenation of a few lower branches of the seed makers. If anything, it will add to the winter pandemic entertainment, and I may end up with some useful seeds.

You also make a good point about even great breeders still finding phenotypic variation in established strains. Bottom line is that you can never get rid of it all. There are thousands of genes, many with recessive variations, many of the characteristics we are interested in are controlled by multiple genes, and expression of many of the genes are probably switched on and off by environmental conditions, or the actions of other genes. Reality here is deeply complex, and we just get to see the surface results.

The best breeders concentrate on the important objectives for a given strain - autoflowering consistently, taste, potency for examples, and weed out the mischief in these specific objectives as best they can to produce strains that behave themselves with reasonable predictability. In spite of this, some phenotypic variation is impossible to avoid. After all, Mother Nature still produces it after millions of generations of natural selection. Our little breeding efforts to F5 or so are trivial by comparison.

Mephisto Genetics is one of the good breeders, and reading their descriptions of their breeding efforts for individual strains is an entertaining window to how this stuff gets done well.

Good luck with your breeding.

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Fitzy said:

You will 100% get stuff worth playing with pics below are of f1 and f2 and the last few pic is a mephisto s1 the rest are breeding projectsView attachment 1222034View attachment 1222035View attachment 1222036View attachment 1222037View attachment 1222038View attachment 1222039View attachment 1222040View attachment 1222041View attachment 1222042View attachment 1222043View attachment 1222044View attachment 1222045View attachment 1222046View attachment 1222047View attachment 1222048

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