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Yep, reversed a Gold Glue last year and crossed to Sour stomper. Now have brought in a male from Stone.
These are the GGxSS. This morning was harvest. Seeds are from one of their sister plants. Have a round of photos starting, and then the plan is to back cross the new reggies to my GGxSS crosses 5 more rounds.
These are the GGxSS. This morning was harvest. Seeds are from one of their sister plants. Have a round of photos starting, and then the plan is to back cross the new reggies to my GGxSS crosses 5 more rounds.
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That's how I justify spending 15$ or more on a fem seed as there is zero guarantee it will germ and even if it does some plants just suck and are very touchy ect so it's a great way to really check out a strain. Also tells you how stable they are as u get a bigger chance to see if/ how many phenos
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I don’t care about the price.... as long as it’s good. I’m not talking about looks. Come with more than a 30 min buzz. I’m sorry but I need a 4 hour buzz.. the time to watch 2 moves are a game. And I need that buzz by way of a couple of hits. Then I want my aches and pains not to hurt. I know it’s alot to ask for, but I’ll pay whatever the breeder asks for it. That would be better than going to a dispensary and buying 1 zip at a time.
I forced a normal female plant to grow pollen sacks used silver colloidal spray,I sprayed the whole plant got a shit load of pollen,was lucky enough to have 2 female plants same Age put the pollen on the other female got
About 200 seeds,I took 3 clones from the female
Before I sprayed her,I hit one of the clones with the pollen as well got about 30 seeds as well,
just started an auto flower grow so the seeds will have to wait for a while,
I was thinking about trying to do the same
With 2 autos,if you cross 2 auto flower plants will tje
Seeds be auto flower
About 200 seeds,I took 3 clones from the female
Before I sprayed her,I hit one of the clones with the pollen as well got about 30 seeds as well,
just started an auto flower grow so the seeds will have to wait for a while,
I was thinking about trying to do the same
With 2 autos,if you cross 2 auto flower plants will tje
Seeds be auto flower
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Keep it up. I practice the force a few times before it got it right. Timing is everything. Breed for the characteristics that you are looking for. Taylor your smoke specifically your your personal needs. My smoke is exactly as i described above. You can’t buy seeds like that.. you make them. And remember that it doesn’t happen over night. I really don’t have time for other strains, but we are trying a few out to add different flavors to my in-house strain. Then we breed that out to our likings... Never breed another growers hard work and claim it’s as your own. And I still show the breed who’s genetics I used Support buy continuing to buy seed packs here and there. Usually without any intentions to grow them out.
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Forgive me if a bit of genetics is not required, but perhaps some clarification could help. Those who know their genetics, or are not interested in how this stuff works, can stop reading here. And those who know their genetics, be kind, I know that I am oversimplifying somewhat.
Cannabis has 10 different chromosome pairs. When the plant makes pollen or the female equivalent, ovules, the chromosome pairs split, and each pollen grain or ovule gets only one chromosome of each chromosome pair. When an ovule is fertilized by a pollen grain, each chromosome is re-attached to its pair partner from the other parent.
One of the 10 pairs, let's call it pair #10, determines a cannabis plants sex. Chromosome 10 comes in two versions, one called X, the other Y. If a plant receives the Y version from the male parent, the plant will be male. If it gets X chromosomes from both parents, the plant will be female. The presence of the Y chromosome in pair #10 is what makes a plant male. A male always has both an X and a Y version in pair #10. Females, including reversed females used to produce pollen, always have two X's.
When male and female parents are crossed, the female can contribute only an X. The male OTOH, has ~50% chance of contributing an X or Y, and consequently, ~50% of offspring will be male, and ~50% female. If feminized females are selfed or crossed with reversed females, all offspring will be female because neither parent has a Y chromosome to contribute - all offspring will have two X chromosomes in pair #10, and will be female.
In the other nine chromosome pairs, the two chromosomes in each pair have the same sequence of genes, so plants have two copies of most genes.
If on any given chromosome pair a gene on one side of the pair codes, say for hypothetical illustration, big buds, and the same gene on the other side of the pair for tiny larfy buds, the offspring plant might simply compromise and have a growth form somewhat between the two extremes, say moderately sized not too larfy buds. However, this is not always how conflicting instructions from gene pairs works out. Sometimes one gene version is dominant when the chromosome pair contains both versions. For our hypothetical example, large buds might always "win" when both a large bud and a small bud gene are present. If so, small buds would only happen if both parents contributed a small bud gene. Were this the case in reality, the small bud version of the bud size gene would be called recessive, and the large bud version, dominant.
This is where things become important to peeps that want to cross cannabis plants. The key is that most characteristics we are interested in are determined by, or at least influenced by, gene pairs, one of which can be recessive. When we choose a parent according to some characteristic we like, we do not know whether recessive genes affecting this characteristic exist, or whether the parent we choose includes the recessive versions of the genes or not. Consequently, whether we are doing crosses between male and female, between feminized, between the same strain, or between different strains, we will often produce offspring that receive recessive genes from both parents, resulting in characteristics in the offspring that were not present in either parent. The appearance of recessive characteristics in crosses is a big deal, and I expect is the reason behind much of the phenotypic variation we see in our grows. This for example may include the so called autos that turn out to be photos, as well as unexpected size, leaf shape, and colour variations in strains.
Bottom line is that any cross we undertake will potentially throw up plants that are not what we are looking for. Ironically, I think the highest risk of this is when we self pollinate feminized plants. If the parent plant has a recessive version of a given gene, ~50% of the resulting pollen/ovules will contain the recessive version, and ~25% of the resulting offspring will have two recessive versions of the gene, and will show the recessive characteristic even though the parent showed no sign of it. In male/female crosses, or in crosses between unrelated feminized plants, the odds of recessive characteristics showing up will usually be lower, but not zero.
When developing strains, professional breeders deal with this by back crossing repeatedly, and weeding out individual plants that show undesired characteristics. Gradually, this reduces the presence of the unwanted recessive genes until a stable strain emerges that consistently shows the intended characteristics. There is no shortcut available here. If we don't do careful selection over multiple generations of many plants, we will get lots of surprises from our seeds.
So, I recommend sticking with high quality genetics from breeders who have done the considerable work of weeding out the mischief. Any breeder who is selling strains of seeds that result in large phenotypic variation (are you listening Oasis Genetics?), especially in important characteristics like consistent autoflowering, is IMHO best avoided, especially for purposes of crosses, and most especially for self crosses of feminized autos. Although seeing how random crosses of uncertain genetics turn out might be entertaining, I for one am not that interested given the expense and effort involved in growing.
Bottom line is that pollen chucking with poor genetics is a complete crap shoot. If quality bud with a particular kind of effect is what you are looking for, sticking with high quality seeds from a good breeder is likely a better bet than crossing stuff and hoping for the best.
In my opinion if a grower is serious about breeding crosses, the most effective if not the only way to consistent results is to germinate lots of plants in each of multiple generations, and select carefully for what you want, and against what you don't want. Serious breeding attempts are significant projects, and very hard to do in small home grows. This is one of the reasons for the high costs of high quality seeds - there is a lot of work behind well developed stable strains.
OTOH, I may still dive into the pool this winter...
Happy breeding peeps.
Cannabis has 10 different chromosome pairs. When the plant makes pollen or the female equivalent, ovules, the chromosome pairs split, and each pollen grain or ovule gets only one chromosome of each chromosome pair. When an ovule is fertilized by a pollen grain, each chromosome is re-attached to its pair partner from the other parent.
One of the 10 pairs, let's call it pair #10, determines a cannabis plants sex. Chromosome 10 comes in two versions, one called X, the other Y. If a plant receives the Y version from the male parent, the plant will be male. If it gets X chromosomes from both parents, the plant will be female. The presence of the Y chromosome in pair #10 is what makes a plant male. A male always has both an X and a Y version in pair #10. Females, including reversed females used to produce pollen, always have two X's.
When male and female parents are crossed, the female can contribute only an X. The male OTOH, has ~50% chance of contributing an X or Y, and consequently, ~50% of offspring will be male, and ~50% female. If feminized females are selfed or crossed with reversed females, all offspring will be female because neither parent has a Y chromosome to contribute - all offspring will have two X chromosomes in pair #10, and will be female.
In the other nine chromosome pairs, the two chromosomes in each pair have the same sequence of genes, so plants have two copies of most genes.
If on any given chromosome pair a gene on one side of the pair codes, say for hypothetical illustration, big buds, and the same gene on the other side of the pair for tiny larfy buds, the offspring plant might simply compromise and have a growth form somewhat between the two extremes, say moderately sized not too larfy buds. However, this is not always how conflicting instructions from gene pairs works out. Sometimes one gene version is dominant when the chromosome pair contains both versions. For our hypothetical example, large buds might always "win" when both a large bud and a small bud gene are present. If so, small buds would only happen if both parents contributed a small bud gene. Were this the case in reality, the small bud version of the bud size gene would be called recessive, and the large bud version, dominant.
This is where things become important to peeps that want to cross cannabis plants. The key is that most characteristics we are interested in are determined by, or at least influenced by, gene pairs, one of which can be recessive. When we choose a parent according to some characteristic we like, we do not know whether recessive genes affecting this characteristic exist, or whether the parent we choose includes the recessive versions of the genes or not. Consequently, whether we are doing crosses between male and female, between feminized, between the same strain, or between different strains, we will often produce offspring that receive recessive genes from both parents, resulting in characteristics in the offspring that were not present in either parent. The appearance of recessive characteristics in crosses is a big deal, and I expect is the reason behind much of the phenotypic variation we see in our grows. This for example may include the so called autos that turn out to be photos, as well as unexpected size, leaf shape, and colour variations in strains.
Bottom line is that any cross we undertake will potentially throw up plants that are not what we are looking for. Ironically, I think the highest risk of this is when we self pollinate feminized plants. If the parent plant has a recessive version of a given gene, ~50% of the resulting pollen/ovules will contain the recessive version, and ~25% of the resulting offspring will have two recessive versions of the gene, and will show the recessive characteristic even though the parent showed no sign of it. In male/female crosses, or in crosses between unrelated feminized plants, the odds of recessive characteristics showing up will usually be lower, but not zero.
When developing strains, professional breeders deal with this by back crossing repeatedly, and weeding out individual plants that show undesired characteristics. Gradually, this reduces the presence of the unwanted recessive genes until a stable strain emerges that consistently shows the intended characteristics. There is no shortcut available here. If we don't do careful selection over multiple generations of many plants, we will get lots of surprises from our seeds.
So, I recommend sticking with high quality genetics from breeders who have done the considerable work of weeding out the mischief. Any breeder who is selling strains of seeds that result in large phenotypic variation (are you listening Oasis Genetics?), especially in important characteristics like consistent autoflowering, is IMHO best avoided, especially for purposes of crosses, and most especially for self crosses of feminized autos. Although seeing how random crosses of uncertain genetics turn out might be entertaining, I for one am not that interested given the expense and effort involved in growing.
Bottom line is that pollen chucking with poor genetics is a complete crap shoot. If quality bud with a particular kind of effect is what you are looking for, sticking with high quality seeds from a good breeder is likely a better bet than crossing stuff and hoping for the best.
In my opinion if a grower is serious about breeding crosses, the most effective if not the only way to consistent results is to germinate lots of plants in each of multiple generations, and select carefully for what you want, and against what you don't want. Serious breeding attempts are significant projects, and very hard to do in small home grows. This is one of the reasons for the high costs of high quality seeds - there is a lot of work behind well developed stable strains.
OTOH, I may still dive into the pool this winter...
Happy breeding peeps.
Well said,that man!..Forgive me if a bit of genetics is not required, but perhaps some clarification could help. Those who know their genetics, or are not interested in how this stuff works, can stop reading here. And those who know their genetics, be kind, I know that I am oversimplifying somewhat.
Cannabis has 10 different chromosome pairs. When the plant makes pollen or the female equivalent, ovules, the chromosome pairs split, and each pollen grain or ovule gets only one chromosome of each chromosome pair. When an ovule is fertilized by a pollen grain, each chromosome is re-attached to its pair partner from the other parent.
One of the 10 pairs, let's call it pair #10, determines a cannabis plants sex. Chromosome 10 comes in two versions, one called X, the other Y. If a plant receives the Y version from the male parent, the plant will be male. If it gets X chromosomes from both parents, the plant will be female. The presence of the Y chromosome in pair #10 is what makes a plant male. A male always has both an X and a Y version in pair #10. Females, including reversed females used to produce pollen, always have two X's.
When male and female parents are crossed, the female can contribute only an X. The male OTOH, has ~50% chance of contributing an X or Y, and consequently, ~50% of offspring will be male, and ~50% female. If feminized females are selfed or crossed with reversed females, all offspring will be female because neither parent has a Y chromosome to contribute - all offspring will have two X chromosomes in pair #10, and will be female.
In the other nine chromosome pairs, the two chromosomes in each pair have the same sequence of genes, so plants have two copies of most genes.
If on any given chromosome pair a gene on one side of the pair codes, say for hypothetical illustration, big buds, and the same gene on the other side of the pair for tiny larfy buds, the offspring plant might simply compromise and have a growth form somewhat between the two extremes, say moderately sized not too larfy buds. However, this is not always how conflicting instructions from gene pairs works out. Sometimes one gene version is dominant when the chromosome pair contains both versions. For our hypothetical example, large buds might always "win" when both a large bud and a small bud gene are present. If so, small buds would only happen if both parents contributed a small bud gene. Were this the case in reality, the small bud version of the bud size gene would be called recessive, and the large bud version, dominant.
This is where things become important to peeps that want to cross cannabis plants. The key is that most characteristics we are interested in are determined by, or at least influenced by, gene pairs, one of which can be recessive. When we choose a parent according to some characteristic we like, we do not know whether recessive genes affecting this characteristic exist, or whether the parent we choose includes the recessive versions of the genes or not. Consequently, whether we are doing crosses between male and female, between feminized, between the same strain, or between different strains, we will often produce offspring that receive recessive genes from both parents, resulting in characteristics in the offspring that were not present in either parent. The appearance of recessive characteristics in crosses is a big deal, and I expect is the reason behind much of the phenotypic variation we see in our grows. This for example may include the so called autos that turn out to be photos, as well as unexpected size, leaf shape, and colour variations in strains.
Bottom line is that any cross we undertake will potentially throw up plants that are not what we are looking for. Ironically, I think the highest risk of this is when we self pollinate feminized plants. If the parent plant has a recessive version of a given gene, ~50% of the resulting pollen/ovules will contain the recessive version, and ~25% of the resulting offspring will have two recessive versions of the gene, and will show the recessive characteristic even though the parent showed no sign of it. In male/female crosses, or in crosses between unrelated feminized plants, the odds of recessive characteristics showing up will usually be lower, but not zero.
When developing strains, professional breeders deal with this by back crossing repeatedly, and weeding out individual plants that show undesired characteristics. Gradually, this reduces the presence of the unwanted recessive genes until a stable strain emerges that consistently shows the intended characteristics. There is no shortcut available here. If we don't do careful selection over multiple generations of many plants, we will get lots of surprises from our seeds.
So, I recommend sticking with high quality genetics from breeders who have done the considerable work of weeding out the mischief. Any breeder who is selling strains of seeds that result in large phenotypic variation (are you listening Oasis Genetics?), especially in important characteristics like consistent autoflowering, is IMHO best avoided, especially for purposes of crosses, and most especially for self crosses of feminized autos. Although seeing how random crosses of uncertain genetics turn out might be entertaining, I for one am not that interested given the expense and effort involved in growing.
Bottom line is that pollen chucking with poor genetics is a complete crap shoot. If quality bud with a particular kind of effect is what you are looking for, sticking with high quality seeds from a good breeder is likely a better bet than crossing stuff and hoping for the best.
In my opinion if a grower is serious about breeding crosses, the most effective if not the only way to consistent results is to germinate lots of plants in each of multiple generations, and select carefully for what you want, and against what you don't want. Serious breeding attempts are significant projects, and very hard to do in small home grows. This is one of the reasons for the high costs of high quality seeds - there is a lot of work behind well developed stable strains.
OTOH, I may still dive into the pool this winter...
Happy breeding peeps.
Its down to genetics but everyone has to start somewhere... most respected breeders have definitely put the time and effort and numbers in but it seems all they want, at the end of the day is Joe Bloggs to buy their wares!.. so many breeders have sold their soul to have the next zkittles or some derivative.... their even selling feminised seeds ffs!.. That was unheard of back in the day!.. I've got regular heirloom seeds from certain guys through defunct forums cos they wanted to share the wealth and for kudos... now it's fem wedding cake?!?... I mean what's that all about?.. they disappear of the scene that they've helped create.... keep it real guys!.. if ya wanna chick some pollen cos you've found a male and got a few females budding go for it... free seeds but grow lots out see how they perform and how stable they are before saying it's the next big thing!... shit guys I've done it myself with some very tasty polyhybrids!... you d be scrolling down my seedfinder page for days... if I had one.... or when I do? Mwahahaha!... reversing a plant with silver to get fems isn't a skill... creating a truly original strain where plants compliment each other most definitely is!.. "Vimto" anyone???... patent pending!... is it right that these new strains aren't even being classified as plants anymore???
Rant over... keep it real, it's not a competition!... it's a way of life... easy now...
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Well said guys I'm in process of this my self true breeding using multiple males and females to see wat transfers over and taking the best 2 and continue to next generation I've got up to f3 but as you say it's difficult and time consuming but if ur a guy who likes to tinker it's no problem and super fun. Also as for crossing fems if ur using 2 quality strains I personally haven't had but 1 real issue all the rest were comparable to wat I grew starting with quality genetics is the key.
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