A few questions about AFs, and ethos AFs in particular...

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Hey all, so I'm new to the forum, and have been growing for a living for 8 years now. I've dabbled with AFs in the past lightly just for fun, but photos are what I know. I've typically grown in 20g pots, across super soil, no till living, and salt, though I've moved exclusively into salt based over the last 4 years and grow under 15kw of LED. I've had plenty of experience and success growing outdoors concurrently with my indoor, typically in 60g living soil. I'm used to photo trees, I guess you could say.
This cycle, in my room, I've introduced 3g pots on a netafim dripline system (about 20% of the room, whereas the rest is still 20gs)... Everything is uniform conditions, same strains and phenos, and using the advanced nutrients sensei dry line, for the most part. The growth and level of uniformity and fullness of canopy on the 3g system is exceeding my usual 20g plants (out of which i average ~1¼lb each under 630 watts of thinkgrow Ws). It's doing well enough that it got me to thinking about switching up my outdoor to the same, using autos.

I've been eyeing the Ethos autos, particularly the bigger ones, ie; lilac diesel, pina, og Kush, zweet, and banana daddy. I've grown their line plenty in the past and had great success with the cultivars which find themselves in these autos. So I'm hoping to tap into the collective's empirical knowledge here to ascertain whether this is a good idea, and what I might wish I had known about autos in retrospect, but never asked. My tentative plan is to run about 200 of them in 3g pots using the exact same system described above, expect outdoors and under an elevated quick-hoops greenhouse film (ceiling height expected to be around 6', with completely open sides... This is essentially just rows of 6'wide, 6'high, 50' long transparent rain shields) , with the dripline running anywhere between ½ to 2 gallons/day, depending on ambient conditions and the stage of growth. I'm not really trying to crop steer as such, just keep them moist throughout the day. So here's a starter question or two; are 3 gallon pots too small, as in will they limit the size of the plant terribly? Can anyone attest to the yield numbers ethos states, and what size containers they grew them in? And the overall experience, quality wise, relative to what they normally grow?
 
Welcome to the forum @BlackWaterPark !
It sounds like you know more about growing in general than I do so I don’t want to say to much. Your setup sounds like a growers dream though.

I will say with my little bit of experience with autos that 3 gallons is probably gonna be on the small side. Especially if you’re looking for max yield. You have to take the yield from the breeders with a grain of salt. There are to many variables. I’m currently growing 5 strains, 2 plants of each and every single one looks different, and each has one that’s bigger than the other.

I have not grown out ethos but I’ve heard good things about their stuff. I do have to say though. Quality wise it’s tough to beat Mephisto in the auto realm. I just harvested a double grape and mango smile that are excellent.
 
I was more referring to yield per plant really. I don't think i phrased the question skillfully enough though. Out of 200 of these autos, I'd like to be shooting for 70-80lb. The reason for autos this year is that I'd like to be harvesting around August, thus avoiding my neck of the woods bud rot season. I've fought it year after year, and have adapted to the point of minimizing what was often catastrophic losses to maybe 5 to 10% losses, but I'd simply rather not deal with it at all. Plus, I want my fall back, rather than spend it pulling, hanging, and trimming. Plus plus, being ahead of the outdoor product market flood is always nice (or so I would think anyway). Plus, I'm always looking to wade into new territories to keep things interesting and increase my knowledge. I can't run a full fledged greenhouse on my property, as I'm 100% off grid and would rather not have to spend the money to increase my battery bank size to the extent that would require, hence the raised quick-hoops.

I've heard much conflicting advise about auto container size, and many claim that anything bigger than 3 gallon is kinda a waste. I'm not so sure about that. Please feel free to school me. I was planning on fabric for the root pruning aspect, thinking that would allow for a bigger root system. I know that in the 3 gal photos in running now, with 3 weeks of veg, I'm looking at potential ½lb plants for some of them. But any sort of auto I've grown in the past, I'd be lucky to get an ounce from lol. But then again, those were like 6 years ago, my skill was far less and the seeds were second hand (i think they were Hobbit, among others i can't recall the names of). All in all, I'm looking for advice/tips on how to get the maximum potential out of them, and where photo thinking does not apply, aside from the obvious. Or hell, go ahead and state the obvious... I've been known to miss it time to time. I'll check out Mephisto as well... Hadn't heard of them till it was mentioned.
 
Kind of a controversial topic - pot size - not sure why it is. Some people will insist that the container size logic doesn't apply to AF. But...and I'm not doing this on a pro level - I clearly see a difference in results regarding different pot sizes. I used to grow exclusively in 7 gallon pots. Then decided to play a bit more. Last run I planted in a 10 gallon and 2, 5 gallons. 10 gallon went 110 days and yielded 20.5 oz, the 2 5s went around 90 days and yielded 13.4 oz and 9.9 oz. Veg times in the larger pots always go longer, I believe the 10 gallon had like a 45+ day veg. Maybe longer. Could've gotten more out of the 9.9 ozer but the tent was so crowded that she got a little shaded out.

And I see this consistently regardless of strains involved. How much of a difference/benefit will there be between a 3 and 5 gallon? Or where is the line drawn on diminishing returns is yet to be determined. Can you have a year long veg in a 100 gallon pot? I doubt it, someone should try it though!

Yes, genetics can come into play, as well as environment, and also how hard you will try to push them, as well as overall skill level, and good old willing to get a little crazy and experiment. One of my goals with autos is the challenge that comes with them, and trying to get them to perform like a photo. You're likely never going to get a 12' tree, but you can achieve rather large harvests of quality fruits.

For the time being, think I've come to the conclusion that due to my space available, a 5 gallon works best for me right now. I can still pull close to a lb, and I don't take up so much floor space. The 10 gallon was unruly.

As far as Ethos, I've never played with them. Dunno why. Probably because I have enough seeds and strains to keep going for like 5 years. But I recently got a buddy on the Floraflex train and he decided to run an Ethos Inzane in a 5 gallon autopot. He ended up yielding close to a pound, but the Ethos started showing signs of herming at the end. YMMV.
 
Hey all, so I'm new to the forum
:welcome: @BlackWaterPark

Stick around. Very cool and knowledgeable community.

On the pot size issue, I grow LOS no-till water only on some of my plants and have found that 7 gallon pots work well with some minor amendment in between grows. With some of the bigger plants, it may be pushing it but I haven't reached that limit yet.

Never grown Ethos. I know they are popular with the Photo crowd in some places. I have heard mixed reviews on their autos but I don't recollect specifics so take that with a huge grain of salt. They may be the Bees Knees in autoflowers, I just don't know as I focus on other breeders (Gnome, Night Owl, Mephisto)

IMHO, YMMV, etc. Good luck!
 
:welcome: @BlackWaterPark

Stick around. Very cool and knowledgeable community.

On the pot size issue, I grow LOS no-till water only on some of my plants and have found that 7 gallon pots work well with some minor amendment in between grows. With some of the bigger plants, it may be pushing it but I haven't reached that limit yet.

Never grown Ethos. I know they are popular with the Photo crowd in some places. I have heard mixed reviews on their autos but I don't recollect specifics so take that with a huge grain of salt. They may be the Bees Knees in autoflowers, I just don't know as I focus on other breeders (Gnome, Night Owl, Mephisto)

IMHO, YMMV, etc. Good luck!

I forgot to add the obligatory - IMHO, YMMV, etc. to my post... Should probably add it to my signature...
 
I always think of space and the size potential first before I make a pot size selection. I am having a hard time getting a sense of your space and how many square feet you are working with. Each row is 6 ft wide or the whole hoop house is 6 ft wide? For a smaller auto with more indica heritage a 2x2 area might be plenty in a 3 gallon pot, but some bigger strains with heavy sativa heritage can easily fill a 3x3 or 4x4 space in a 7-10 gallon pot. I previously have grown more organically, but now I also have switched to salt based nutrients and find that I get bigger plants in smaller pots with coco or peat mixes with than I ever did with organic soil.

I know Ethos has a very fine reputation for photos, but not sure about their autos. Unless all their autos are at least F3 I would be concerned about the stability of the auto trait. This is where breeders that are inexperienced with autos often go wrong. With so much on the line I would consider one of the breeder mentioned by Cannabismingus, all three are excellent and know to have stable auto traits.
 
Yes, I forgot to mention that I also run my own DIY coco mix and salts and can push autos a lot further than I can vs what I’ve ran with autos in soil and/or organics. That’s just me though, others seem great at it.

Maybe someone can coax ethos to the forum and they’ll do some grow and show stuff. Would certainly be interested in giving it a go.
 
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