Completed F | T |F Growery: Seedsman Jack Herer

That's a very fast Jack Herer!
Going to run some more to look for a mother plant?

Shiva's Mistress said:

That's a very fast Jack Herer!
Going to run some more to look for a mother plant?

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If I grow Jack again I'm going to run Sannie's Seeds version. My meters were messed up the whole grow for this and the Zamaldelica but the smoke was unimpressive from the Jack.

FTF_damien50 said:

If I grow Jack again I'm going to run Sannie's Seeds version. My meters were messed up the whole grow for this and the Zamaldelica but the smoke was unimpressive from the Jack.

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Haha, was going to suggest Sannies' Jack.
Had a pack of 10 regs, but due to my situation couldn't get them going.
Was in a new location, and weather was brutal.
But still have a pack of fem Killing Fields, that I'm waiting for the right time to drop.
Please tag me when you get the Sannies' Jack and fire them up!!
Maybe try his Shackzilla, Killing Fields, Sugar Punch, Silver Fields or some of those other hazes, if you like sativas.

Shiva's Mistress said:

Haha, was going to suggest Sannies' Jack.
Had a pack of 10 regs, but due to my situation couldn't get them going.
Was in a new location, and weather was brutal.
But still have a pack of fem Killing Fields, that I'm waiting for the right time to drop.
Please tag me when you get the Sannies' Jack and fire them up!!
Maybe try his Shackzilla, Killing Fields, Sugar Punch, Silver Fields or some of those other hazes, if you like sativas.

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Absolutely! I have a mother plant of Sannie's Extrema that I'm going to flower after my current run is over. Killing Fields has been in my cart for months but I'm hoping to expand my grow to a 4x12 so I can run 3 tables. Appreciate the suggestions and feel free to tag me in any grows you have going.

FTF_damien50 said:

Absolutely! I have a mother plant of Sannie's Extrema that I'm going to flower after my current run is over. Killing Fields has been in my cart for months but I'm hoping to expand my grow to a 4x12 so I can run 3 tables. Appreciate the suggestions and feel free to tag me in any grows you have going.

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Great! I have a million beans in many carts, haha!
Not ordering anything these days, because got into some trouble with The Law after a package was intercepted.
(I live in a full on War on Drugs Hysteria country....)
Please tag me too for the Extrema.
Hope you can open her up and get a nice wide canopy on her.

Shiva's Mistress said:

Great! I have a million beans in many carts, haha!
Not ordering anything these days, because got into some trouble with The Law after a package was intercepted.
(I live in a full on War on Drugs Hysteria country....)
Please tag me too for the Extrema.
Hope you can open her up and get a nice wide canopy on her.

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I'll probably be running the Extrema/Zamaldelica and some other strains all at once but I will definitely tag you. Trying to get my cloning hammered out for true SOG grows plus I really REALLY hate the concept of defoliation so it fits my style.

The current grow has been minimal pruning and I think the plants look great lol. Training takes too much of my time. I really enjoy growing autos but I don't like constantly buying seeds when I've found great mothers from F1 seeds of photos.

Sucks about the prohibition. I feel I may as well be in the same boat.

FTF_damien50 said:

I'll probably be running the Extrema/Zamaldelica and some other strains all at once but I will definitely tag you. Trying to get my cloning hammered out for true SOG grows plus I really REALLY hate the concept of defoliation so it fits my style.

The current grow has been minimal pruning and I think the plants look great lol. Training takes too much of my time. I really enjoy growing autos but I don't like constantly buying seeds when I've found great mothers from F1 seeds of photos.

Sucks about the prohibition. I feel I may as well be in the same boat.

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Viz cloning, are you trying to get your moms ready so you can take large quantities of clones at a time for a true SOG?
I remember back in ... about 1996 or 1997, High Times mag had an article where the grower was doing 9 clones / sq ft, on little 4" rockwool cubes, straight into flower, and averaging, I think it was 7 g / plant, about 6" tall each, so about two oz / sq ft.
Haven't seen anything like that for a long time. Would be a lot of cloning work, but massive hauls!
I think there is also something wrong with the massive strip down defol that some growers do.
Good scientific discussion here.
Refers to a rare semi-formal experiment here.
Do you first buy fem seeds for your mothers, or regs?

Shiva's Mistress said:

Viz cloning, are you trying to get your moms ready so you can take large quantities of clones at a time for a true SOG?
I remember back in ... about 1996 or 1997, High Times mag had an article where the grower was doing 9 clones / sq ft, on little 4" rockwool cubes, straight into flower, and averaging, I think it was 7 g / plant, about 6" tall each, so about two oz / sq ft.
Haven't seen anything like that for a long time. Would be a lot of cloning work, but massive hauls!
I think there is also something wrong with the massive strip down defol that some growers do.
Good scientific discussion here.
Refers to a rare semi-formal experiment here.
Do you first buy fem seeds for your mothers, or regs?

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My mothers are producing around 20 clones but 36 would be ideal. My actual cloning has been taking around 14-20 days but I would like to reach 7-10.

Learning about cloning and mothers has made me a better grower. I get a lot of intimate time experiencing all the phases of growth. Thanks for the links, I've read the CCFB one before and his information is great.

I just use fem seeds but I do plan to learn breeding at some point. Waiting to see the science or act of breeding other cannabinoids besides THC or CBD.

damien50 said:

My mothers are producing around 20 clones but 36 would be ideal. My actual cloning has been taking around 14-20 days but I would like to reach 7-10.

Learning about cloning and mothers has made me a better grower. I get a lot of intimate time experiencing all the phases of growth. Thanks for the links, I've read the CCFB one before and his information is great.

I just use fem seeds but I do plan to learn breeding at some point. Waiting to see the science or act of breeding other cannabinoids besides THC or CBD.

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I'm also very interested in the other cannabinoid there's like 250+ of them it seems crazy to me that we only focus on 2 of them. But there is an increasing scientific interest in them as well as terps. Some studies even suggest lower thc strains can get you as high or higher that the strains with more thc, interesting stuff. The article I was reading about it was essentially saying that dispensaries mis-market their weed based on thc% because it's easier to overcharge based on the claim that they are more potent.

Tmonney said:

I'm also very interested in the other cannabinoid there's like 250+ of them it seems crazy to me that we only focus on 2 of them. But there is an increasing scientific interest in them as well as terps. Some studies even suggest lower thc strains can get you as high or higher that the strains with more thc, interesting stuff. The article I was reading about it was essentially saying that dispensaries mis-market their weed based on thc% because it's easier to overcharge based on the claim that they are more potent.

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Absolutely. CBG/THCa are very interesting for cancer and are readily available at certain points in the cycle.

It's why I'm doing predominantly landrace cultivars. They have such wide cannabinoids profiles that have been untapped compared to Western strains and their destructive breeding habits. I firmly believe landraces need to be preserved lest native populations of cannabis be destroyed by genetic swamping.

I don't think all modern genetics are bad but I wonder what disservice have we done breeding for high THC when Mazar makes potent hash sub
10% THC. Slowly working towards craft cannabis with F1 landraces so that genetics can be preserved and robust terps/cannabinoid profiles can be enjoyed.

damien50 said:

Absolutely. CBG/THCa are very interesting for cancer and are readily available at certain points in the cycle.

It's why I'm doing predominantly landrace cultivars. They have such wide cannabinoids profiles that have been untapped compared to Western strains and their destructive breeding habits. I firmly believe landraces need to be preserved lest native populations of cannabis be destroyed by genetic swamping.

I don't think all modern genetics are bad but I wonder what disservice have we done breeding for high THC when Mazar makes potent hash sub
10% THC. Slowly working towards craft cannabis with F1 landraces so that genetics can be preserved and robust terps/cannabinoid profiles can be enjoyed.

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I too believe in preserving land races. I've personally never purchased seeds on-line but when I do bite that bullet I plan to specifically go for land races. I don't necessarily think breeding is bad, or even crossing for that matter. But when your strains have 6 or more strains crossed to make a new strain it's a bit ridiculous. And when it gets to that point, you really have no clue what you are actually getting because you could get a pheno leaning towards anything bread into it if not something entirely new. Breeding any strain should be done with a purpose in mind. There should be a specific goal. Be it pest or mold resistance or resin production what ever. But I feel like at this point breeders are only aiming for thc% and yields. Or they are breeding just to brand it as something "new" and proprietary. It's all about the money. Not the love of cannabis, or preservation.