Grow Mediums Why organic nutrients do not work in coco

[JSH1973]

For the small difference in the price of it I decided to go with the little more expensive Canna Coco Pro+
Those bricks that need to be hydrated, washed and buffered just seemed like to much hard work and another thing that could be fcuked up and make life more difficult before even getting started.

 

[Hunter11]

Aha! So you are doing what Mr. C. does and looks like you're getting results! I think it was his dog that likes the Gaia green.

Yes his dog's name is Harley.

 

[Suzy Bee]

If you are not familiar with buffering, I would not suggest trying it. 99% of bagged coco is pre washed and buffered.

I read a little after seeing your suggestion and agree. I will get the bagged coco when I start my first grow.

 

[Steviestash]

For the small difference in the price of it I decided to go with the little more expensive Canna Coco Pro+
Those bricks that need to be hydrated, washed and buffered just seemed like to much hard work and another thing that could be fcuked up and make life more difficult before even getting started.

Those bricks are pre buffered from canna

 

[Cocofender]

Finally I can comment on this thread if you wanna use coco and Gia green you have to do soil 50%and coco 50% and add worm castings every few weeks Iv had grate results with this by following me cunucks grow But shortly after talking to a few trusted people you can’t use just coco and Gia green and doing this 50/50 you can let them dry out a bit in like just coco and you don’t have to worrie about over water like soil I love this method but mr c has some conflicting information that have led some people wrong in there grow so my advice is add soil it works for me

 

[Overboard]

Yea I wanted to see if he was full of BS with his grow method. If you search around you'll see there is a lot of failed attempts to copy his grow. I have not found any journals that have made it work in coco. I can see a few potential issues now why guys are failing. First he doesn't talk about rinsing and buffering his coco. I think he's found himself a really good brand of coco where they do a good job of washing and buffering it for him. Another issues is he's all over the place with what PH to use. Early vids he is using between 6.5-6.8. His later vids he says to keep it under 6.5. I think some people may have missed that. I find watering to be a bit of a pain to not get any run off and give it more of a wet dry cycle. The coco becomes really hydrophobic and if you water too fast it just goes right through the pot. You have to be super slow with it to make sure and get even coverage and no run off. Maybe this is just an issue for me though and I need to water more.

I have stopped letting the pots dry out completely and it's done wonders for the hydrophobic coco. I'm up to 5 gal pots now, and they are much better about keeping the moisture even across the pot than the 3 gal. I've also been watering once daily by pot weight, dousing the bigger, thirstier plants and just topping off the smaller ones.

There are several things about Mr Canuck's grows that people may miss, lower pH being one. The teas and extra amendments (guano, worm castings, etc) are also key.

 

[Arthur]

Not trying to be snarky, just trying to get a feel of who is talking. Is there anyone who is claiming good results with this style(taste, smell, high, and the biggie... weight.. 16 sq feet should pump out 600 to 900 grams a round, strain dependent) that has grown for more than 5 yrs? Smoked for a couple decades or more?

If were just doing to see if it can be done, that's one thing. Suggesting you'll hit weight of dank seems unlikely given the poor health I see in 99% of flowering plants grown like this.

 

[Cocofender]

Not trying to be snarky, just trying to get a feel of who is talking. Is there anyone who is claiming good results with this style(taste, smell, high, and the biggie... weight.. 16 sq feet should pump out 600 to 900 grams a round, strain dependent) that has grown for more than 5 yrs? Smoked for a couple decades or more?

If were just doing to see if it can be done, that's one thing. Suggesting you'll hit weight of dank seems unlikely given the poor health I see in 99% of flowering plants grown like this.

Hey we’ll health of my plants show for them selfs that’s not to say iv been doing this for years this is my second round but it’s proven to be simple Maintenance the health my plants are speaking for them selfs and well the Quality of finished product has been par too myself and friends standards I had my buddy call me five mins after smoking up and to tell me how proper dank it was

 

[Overboard]

Not trying to be snarky, just trying to get a feel of who is talking. Is there anyone who is claiming good results with this style(taste, smell, high, and the biggie... weight.. 16 sq feet should pump out 600 to 900 grams a round, strain dependent) that has grown for more than 5 yrs? Smoked for a couple decades or more?

If were just doing to see if it can be done, that's one thing. Suggesting you'll hit weight of dank seems unlikely given the poor health I see in 99% of flowering plants grown like this.

Ok, I'll play. Been smoking for 35 years, daily for 15, everything from the awful illegal stuff here decades ago to great quality and variety in Washington state, Colorado, and Amsterdam. I know the difference in quality and crap, and am frustrated to the degree I've become a snob.

I am a year and a quarter into growing, since my state legalized, and that is the sum total of my hands-on growing experience. Fourth grow finishing up now, and it's happily my best yet, I'm very excited by the yield and quality, if not the variety. Guesstimating conservatively, one American Pie plant will be the biggest yield with maybe 5-6 oz, a Royal Blueberry not far behind at 4+ oz. I wasn't sure of the other pheno of American Pie, or the DreamBerry since they were so short, but now I'm not so sure.

Now, in my situation, as a medical user growing only for myself, HUGE weight isn't as much of a concern, but I've seen a great improvement in MY ability to grow plants to their potential (or nearly). That's why I've always taken a humble position that I will ALWAYS take the time to listen and learn from people who are clearly more knowledgeable than I am. That's kinda the whole reason for being here.

Here is something I've seen posted repeatedly by detractors of this method, and I've never gotten a satisfactory answer: "These plants look so sick. They aren't healthy."

I've posted three photos taken a couple of days ago, and ZERO snark, I'm really interested in honest answers: What PRECISELY about these plants looks "unhealthy"? Yes, there are tiny spots on some leaves, yes some leaves are brown, yes they are all deep into flower. Trichome production on all of these varieties is crazy, and the buds are all very solid.

 

[Arthur]

Ok, I'll play. Been smoking for 35 years, daily for 15, everything from the awful illegal stuff here decades ago to great quality and variety in Washington state, Colorado, and Amsterdam. I know the difference in quality and crap, and am frustrated to the degree I've become a snob.

I am a year and a quarter into growing, since my state legalized, and that is the sum total of my hands-on growing experience. Fourth grow finishing up now, and it's happily my best yet, I'm very excited by the yield and quality, if not the variety. Guesstimating conservatively, one American Pie plant will be the biggest yield with maybe 5-6 oz, a Royal Blueberry not far behind at 4+ oz. I wasn't sure of the other pheno of American Pie, or the DreamBerry since they were so short, but now I'm not so sure.

Now, in my situation, as a medical user growing only for myself, HUGE weight isn't as much of a concern, but I've seen a great improvement in MY ability to grow plants to their potential (or nearly). That's why I've always taken a humble position that I will ALWAYS take the time to listen and learn from people who are clearly more knowledgeable than I am. That's kinda the whole reason for being here.

Here is something I've seen posted repeatedly by detractors of this method, and I've never gotten a satisfactory answer: "These plants look so sick. They aren't healthy."

I've posted three photos taken a couple of days ago, and ZERO snark, I'm really interested in honest answers: What PRECISELY about these plants looks "unhealthy"? Yes, there are tiny spots on some leaves, yes some leaves are brown, yes they are all deep into flower. Trichome production on all of these varieties is crazy, and the buds are all very solid.

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I appreciate the reply, and the smoking experience, sounds like we are fairly similar there. So let's concede that the smoke is really good, my issue still remains, yeild and size, you covered the unhealthy portions well.


I am medical as well, but if the tent isn't hitting numbers, my jars run empty.


I'll add, I need 4 lbs a yr, that is for myself and one other patient. A run in a 4x4 costs close to 600$ by the time power medium and genetics nutes etc are in. Things need to stay a dollar a gram or less to be workable for me. Here power eats the most at .29cents a kwh.