Why are my autos so small and low yield?

The biggest downside of using non-horticultural lighting is that it will be as bad or worse in efficacy compared to HPS. You can still get amazing yields, but your power bill will be straight out of 2002.

The modern quantum boards with external drivers are up to 3x more efficient, so you get amazing yields and quality for lower energy consumption.

FWIW I run two separate 2x2 spaces; one has two 3500k autocobs, the other has an HLG 135w quantum board. The quantum board seems to be greatly outperforming the autocobs, but I need to do a few more grows before I declare it the clear winner.
Perhaps to a degree. However, my arithmetic suggests that paying for the comparable Mars Hydro using the power savings would take many years. Higher efficiency would be more important for a larger operation, but less so for many home grows.
 
Perhaps to a degree. However, my arithmetic suggests that paying for the comparable Mars Hydro using the power savings would take many years. Higher efficiency would be more important for a larger operation, but less so for many home grows.
I don't have any experience with Mars Hydro, but my HLG was about $2/watt purchased brand-new. Amortized over the anticipated 50-80,000 hour lifespan it makes sense for my setup.
 
I don't have any experience with Mars Hydro, but my HLG was about $2/watt purchased brand-new. Amortized over the anticipated 50-80,000 hour lifespan it makes sense for my setup.
Your lights are an excellent choice, and will grow nice bud for you. Had I not gone for the DIY, I most likely would have done something similar, maybe even identical. Although I really like the Mars Hydro SP3000 for my 2x4, I like the light distribution of the boards better, and I like the option of two separately adjustable heights in the 2x4, so I might have gone with a pair of HLG's.

However, I confess a bias to DIY, and to cheap if it works. I also like the independent bulbs, each with its own ballast, which eliminates the risk of general ballast failure which happens sometimes even with the nice Meanwell units. If one of my bulbs fails (no sign of that after two grows), I just pop down to the hardware store for a replacement. Actually, I have spares, so even a trip to the store would not be needed.

As to LED efficiency, quite aside from the length of time power savings would take to pay for the better LED, my growdrobe needs heat because I grow in the winter in my basement. If the light did not supply it, an electric heater would have to. In fact, I often have to supplement with a heater even with the screw in bulbs. Consequently, a more electrically efficient light would do little or nothing for the overall efficiency of my particular grow. Other grows, might benefit from better efficiency, but the arithmetic needs to be done on the entire grow setup, not just the led efficiency.

As to the 50,000 hour lifespan, let's see - at <2000 hrs/yr for my grow, that would be another 25 or so years. I'll sadly, for me at least, be long dead by then even if covid does not get me. :biggrin:
 
I'm with you on the heat thing, that's definitely a very specific factor depending your locale, HVAC, etc. For me, heat is the devil and the cooler the better when it comes to lighting; humidity is my demon, I run my humidifier wide-open in my lung room and still struggle with too-high VPD in my flower cab. My tent is running an AC Infinity w/controller and it's absolutely perfect, but it does cycle off at times and that gets a little smelly...
 
I'm with you on the heat thing, that's definitely a very specific factor depending your locale, HVAC, etc. For me, heat is the devil and the cooler the better when it comes to lighting; humidity is my demon, I run my humidifier wide-open in my lung room and still struggle with too-high VPD in my flower cab. My tent is running an AC Infinity w/controller and it's absolutely perfect, but it does cycle off at times and that gets a little smelly...
Yeah, spot on about the heat issue. If I was growing in the summer in a warm climate, the screw ins might be a big disadvantage due to the ballasts all being in the tent and the electrical efficiency being lower. Optimal decisions on this stuff really need to consider the whole package of grow conditions, grow size, and so on. What works perfectly for one grow could be impossible to manage for another.

A bit of homework before choosing options is usually a good idea.

You might get a bit of a laugh about my humidity fight. It has been down to -32C overnight here for a few days, now moderated to -22. At these temperatures, the term dry applies.

My latest means of getting the RH up higher in the lung room is to pour puddles of water on the cement floor and direct an oscillating electric heater over them. This in addition to hanging towel in the 2x4 and keeping the grow exhaust in the same room. And still, the 2x4 gets down to 39% at times. Still tolerable, but marginal re. VPD.
 
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