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:no: Some unsavory practices by both professional and aspiring breeders, companies large and small. Here will be discussed my experiences with unstable autoflower and photoperiod strains. This is informational and nothing more, as we are all on the same page here. I have had many plants display instability and see much more pervading commercial as well as amateur breeding and wish to log them for you to learn from.
Naturally I am no professional when it comes to cultivation only having 6 years actually in practice. This is why I look up to my elders here to set me along the right path. There are many out there like me who want to make their medicine and share it with this community. Now here is what I have been seeing lately and it is kind of a frightening thing and a reason I sought out the properly bred genetics.
I try and watch the newer generation of cultivators appearing on the scene as this Green Movement spreads across the country. Here is the issue. I have literally seen dozens of aspiring "breeders" purposely inject their crosses with femenized genetics. Far be it from me to stifle them lest I become a pariah, as will happen if I spoke my mind. The issue has been concerning me for a while. Companies that have become established have understood the need for purity in their strains, which is why we hold the value of genetics so dear. I had someone tell me I was taking all the fun out of weed because when they started smoking it was the disco era. I don't think seeking to understand the genetics of my medicine is taking out the fun, but rather enriching this Science and medicine beyond belief. They never believed that Cannabis could be over 30.0% thc, but some tried to understand the science.
Now breeders know that if they want to offer a line of femenized genetics, that it must remain separate from their regular genetics. Currently I have over five different strains in the vault that are the result of crossing lines. Now the people who these came from are aspiring breeders who have spread lots of these, but no one has bothered to question their origin. One person is using a fem. Pineapple Express from G13, and he is trying to tell me there will be no intersex tendencies or as too many people generally say "no hermies." My friends we must recognize that there have always been several types of intersex expression in cannabis plants and that to use such a general term expresses very little. I am sure he has ran it a few times, but like many of us he doesn't have the space, nor could he have run enough generations in the time the cross was made to make such an assertion. He is a friend however, and I just keep biting my tongue every time it is mentioned. He speaks of making further generations of this cross, but I cannot trust it. Somewhere in the code is the switch that can make my meds full of semillas.
It seems dozens of people I see are also spreading other crosses of G13 gear. I know it's dank, but then they are giving it to others, who are then making crosses with them. So it is reg pollen on fem plant, then reg pollen again, or selfed again then the selfed are hit with either reg or fem pollen again. I have no idea what some hippies get up to now. This is the basis for the beginning of too many to count. How they are choosing to start their genetic stock, and the kicker is that none of them have even researched any of the genetics behind their experiments. What kinds of scientists do not take notes? No mention of recessive traits, polyploidy, instability. Just slam together an f1 and bam hand it out.
Bloody shame. Now when the people are mentioned as the progenitors of this strain or that, or someone remarks on how great they are doing, I say nothing. I just don't cultivate anything associated with those lines. I know that there have been great genetic lines created by accident, the Bubba Kush has been speculated to be one. A more recent example is the GG#4, very high resin content, yet unsafe for my own ends. How safe are these crosses? At f1 stage, I am basically playing pollen roulette. The same people have absolutely zero control over cross contamination of any kind. Even a person on a meager budget can figure out a way to minimize the spread of random genetic material in their breeding areas, myself definitely included. I just have to stay away because the names they give could be completely different than the beans they are spreading. They are doing a great disservice to themselves and unintentional harm to the larger community. They have some regular crosses, and I trust they believe what they are telling me, but experience says if pollen from North Africa can reach Spain, then there is a huge possibility that pollen could travel in an open 10 ft area separated by sheets of poly. Without negative pressure and filters in every area. Organic pollination is as natural as it gets, but with multiple fathers and mothers sitting around in their prime there is just no way things have not gotten muddled.
Once again I have never said this stuff because they are a generous person who means well and just wants to grow some dank. I don’t want to cause any massive waves just to pursue the fruitless cause of getting them to rethink things. Let sleeping dogs lay. I want to do things correctly even if that takes a little bit longer to get it right. Cloning out mothers and sires would be ideal for me personally, but just may not be possible. I do not run any fem. genetics at the moment and haven’t for a couple seasons, but that will soon change with YDB auto. There are only two photos in veg, which are only there in their present form because I do not have an extra flowering light. Otherwise I would clone them down to a suitable height. Once again genetic testing has left my harvest times unpredictable, the last season ran a fortnight over and this one will as well. Sativa dominant experimental crosses from CannaVenture, and an avg daily heat in the high 80’s for a few weeks now have slowed things to a crawl. I cannot even start any new photos unless I wanted all males with temps swinging up to 90+. It is insanity.
This is why the Autoflower is so important, and its stability. I have been waiting for temps to drop, but let’s face it no spring this year, I will go ahead as scheduled with the new autos. I will start with two Yoda’s Dragon’s Breath, but seeing how tall they could be will opt for a smaller container. I don’t want to sell anything short, giggity, but I think a #2 should make a 1 ft auto at least. Always need something else to fall back on, other than the wait for photos to show me sex naturally over a month later. Another reason why becoming a Dragon Tamer is all the more important for me. Some day things will improve, I will acquire a Mars Hydro led , and start making my warm room work for me. Making the gradual transition from primarily photo to auto is daunting; and I welcome the assistance of any other Jedis and Dragon Tamers out there. More to come.
Naturally I am no professional when it comes to cultivation only having 6 years actually in practice. This is why I look up to my elders here to set me along the right path. There are many out there like me who want to make their medicine and share it with this community. Now here is what I have been seeing lately and it is kind of a frightening thing and a reason I sought out the properly bred genetics.
I try and watch the newer generation of cultivators appearing on the scene as this Green Movement spreads across the country. Here is the issue. I have literally seen dozens of aspiring "breeders" purposely inject their crosses with femenized genetics. Far be it from me to stifle them lest I become a pariah, as will happen if I spoke my mind. The issue has been concerning me for a while. Companies that have become established have understood the need for purity in their strains, which is why we hold the value of genetics so dear. I had someone tell me I was taking all the fun out of weed because when they started smoking it was the disco era. I don't think seeking to understand the genetics of my medicine is taking out the fun, but rather enriching this Science and medicine beyond belief. They never believed that Cannabis could be over 30.0% thc, but some tried to understand the science.
Now breeders know that if they want to offer a line of femenized genetics, that it must remain separate from their regular genetics. Currently I have over five different strains in the vault that are the result of crossing lines. Now the people who these came from are aspiring breeders who have spread lots of these, but no one has bothered to question their origin. One person is using a fem. Pineapple Express from G13, and he is trying to tell me there will be no intersex tendencies or as too many people generally say "no hermies." My friends we must recognize that there have always been several types of intersex expression in cannabis plants and that to use such a general term expresses very little. I am sure he has ran it a few times, but like many of us he doesn't have the space, nor could he have run enough generations in the time the cross was made to make such an assertion. He is a friend however, and I just keep biting my tongue every time it is mentioned. He speaks of making further generations of this cross, but I cannot trust it. Somewhere in the code is the switch that can make my meds full of semillas.
It seems dozens of people I see are also spreading other crosses of G13 gear. I know it's dank, but then they are giving it to others, who are then making crosses with them. So it is reg pollen on fem plant, then reg pollen again, or selfed again then the selfed are hit with either reg or fem pollen again. I have no idea what some hippies get up to now. This is the basis for the beginning of too many to count. How they are choosing to start their genetic stock, and the kicker is that none of them have even researched any of the genetics behind their experiments. What kinds of scientists do not take notes? No mention of recessive traits, polyploidy, instability. Just slam together an f1 and bam hand it out.
Bloody shame. Now when the people are mentioned as the progenitors of this strain or that, or someone remarks on how great they are doing, I say nothing. I just don't cultivate anything associated with those lines. I know that there have been great genetic lines created by accident, the Bubba Kush has been speculated to be one. A more recent example is the GG#4, very high resin content, yet unsafe for my own ends. How safe are these crosses? At f1 stage, I am basically playing pollen roulette. The same people have absolutely zero control over cross contamination of any kind. Even a person on a meager budget can figure out a way to minimize the spread of random genetic material in their breeding areas, myself definitely included. I just have to stay away because the names they give could be completely different than the beans they are spreading. They are doing a great disservice to themselves and unintentional harm to the larger community. They have some regular crosses, and I trust they believe what they are telling me, but experience says if pollen from North Africa can reach Spain, then there is a huge possibility that pollen could travel in an open 10 ft area separated by sheets of poly. Without negative pressure and filters in every area. Organic pollination is as natural as it gets, but with multiple fathers and mothers sitting around in their prime there is just no way things have not gotten muddled.
Once again I have never said this stuff because they are a generous person who means well and just wants to grow some dank. I don’t want to cause any massive waves just to pursue the fruitless cause of getting them to rethink things. Let sleeping dogs lay. I want to do things correctly even if that takes a little bit longer to get it right. Cloning out mothers and sires would be ideal for me personally, but just may not be possible. I do not run any fem. genetics at the moment and haven’t for a couple seasons, but that will soon change with YDB auto. There are only two photos in veg, which are only there in their present form because I do not have an extra flowering light. Otherwise I would clone them down to a suitable height. Once again genetic testing has left my harvest times unpredictable, the last season ran a fortnight over and this one will as well. Sativa dominant experimental crosses from CannaVenture, and an avg daily heat in the high 80’s for a few weeks now have slowed things to a crawl. I cannot even start any new photos unless I wanted all males with temps swinging up to 90+. It is insanity.
This is why the Autoflower is so important, and its stability. I have been waiting for temps to drop, but let’s face it no spring this year, I will go ahead as scheduled with the new autos. I will start with two Yoda’s Dragon’s Breath, but seeing how tall they could be will opt for a smaller container. I don’t want to sell anything short, giggity, but I think a #2 should make a 1 ft auto at least. Always need something else to fall back on, other than the wait for photos to show me sex naturally over a month later. Another reason why becoming a Dragon Tamer is all the more important for me. Some day things will improve, I will acquire a Mars Hydro led , and start making my warm room work for me. Making the gradual transition from primarily photo to auto is daunting; and I welcome the assistance of any other Jedis and Dragon Tamers out there. More to come.
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for a thought provoking post... Being one of these hobby breeders you speak of I am guilty as charged when I first landed here... I was a pollen chucker to the extreme... I had zero clue, some what I thought at the time were being dicks to me called me out on what I was doing... It was due to their brutal honesty that help wake me up to what I was doing and how wrong it was.... 
