New Grower Two plants very different results

[Sunny747]

A few months ago my friend and I planted two seeds from the same breeder, same source (herbies), in same size pots. My friend had never grown before and have probably 6 grows under my belt. Check out the difference.

My plant vegged under CFL and LED. Flower under 400 hps in my tent amongst some other plants I have going. GH nutes. She yielded about half an ounce and was around 10 inches tall. Buds are nice.

My friends plant. Vegged with 200w of CFL, but put in the summer sun each day for around ten hours. Fox Farms Nutes. 3 feet tall. 24 inches wide and amazing terpines.

It's pretty interesting the difference between seeds in the auto arena. Some grow short, others grow tall. It's like a box of chocolates.
I also attribute the sunlight to the explosive growth of this beauty.
All in all we had a real fun time. Next summer I may have to Gorilla his yard

 

[Chester]

"Planting seeds can be like a box of chocolates .... " ... interesting difference ... was the soil the same in each pot ? Outdoor grows rock ...

 

[Sunny747]

"Planting seeds can be like a box of chocolates .... " ... interesting difference ... was the soil the same in each pot ? Outdoor grows rock ...

Actually, I had better soil and nutes. I used OF amended with Dolomite and my friend just grabbed some organic potting mix from a nursery. He used Fox Farms Trio and I have the entire GH line including root booster and great white

He said that on days when he put it in the garden it would grow 2 inches

I saw a good video of growers that seeded an auto then planted 100 seeds. The variations were striking. Some were four feet tall and others were midgets. many different leaf structures also.

 

[HubbaBubba]

I saw a good video of growers that seeded an auto then planted 100 seeds. The variations were striking. Some were four feet tall and others were midgets. many different leaf structures also.

In other areas of breeding this is considered a Bad Thing.

Marijuana seed sellers and buyers seem happy at F4. (Filial generations) F1 = children of parents, F2 = grandchildren, F3 = great grandchildren, etc. At F4 the strain is not stable, but this is marketed a feature, like an Easter egg hunt with an emphasis on the wonderful hybrid vigor. Surprise, you don't know what phenotype you are gonna get! By comparison Tomato growers would considered F4 seeds to be unfinished, ok for sharing with other breeders but NOT ready for the general public. F7 is considered genetically stable for everything except marijuana, but that would requires 3 more seasons of work.

http://kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes2.html

 

[hecno]

Cool , that has just told me what I asked a while ago , what the F means .

 

[HubbaBubba]

Cool , that has just told me what I asked a while ago , what the F means .

Thanks!

I think F4 can be worthwhile if the strain is so good it is worth getting a few runts or giants or weirdo plants, and the grower is ready because the breeder is honest about the instability. But, I have read some journals where the grower is surprised, that sucks for a new grower excited about his first plant.

Thank goodness for AFN and grow Journals! It takes some reading but it is pretty easy to spot unstable strains.

 

[HubbaBubba]

There is one seed that I want so bad that I am drooling thinking about it, but reading a couple of Journals is like a bucket of ice water, because it's unique qualities are obviously not stable. No matter how seductive the advertising blurb from the breeder...the strain is like a box of chocolates, or a crap shoot.

 

[Balarama]

@OP
This is why I love outdoor growing.
These plants are not necessarily different because of phenotypic difference, might just be the light and space. Also the pot + soil mix can be of huge impact on plant development. The sun is the best light so no wonder the terpenes are more developed OD.

Indeed, now you know what to do next season

Good luck and enjoy the smoke

 

[LimeGreen]

In other areas of breeding this is considered a Bad Thing.

Marijuana seed sellers and buyers seem happy at F4. (Filial generations) F1 = children of parents, F2 = grandchildren, F3 = great grandchildren, etc. At F4 the strain is not stable, but this is marketed a feature, like an Easter egg hunt with an emphasis on the wonderful hybrid vigor. Surprise, you don't know what phenotype you are gonna get! By comparison Tomato growers would considered F4 seeds to be unfinished, ok for sharing with other breeders but NOT ready for the general public. F7 is considered genetically stable for everything except marijuana, but that would requires 3 more seasons of work.

http://kdcomm.net/~tomato/gene/genes2.html

Excellent reply Hubba Bubba. All it will take is people with genetic acumen and exacting standards to raise the bar and make this kind of genetic variation unacceptable in the marketplace.

 

[Ronin]

Having grown two plants in differing conditions only shows phenotype expression.
Not to be confused with genotype stabiity.