Photoperiod To flush or not to flush and if so....When?

[pop22]

Plants absorb elements and mineral ions. And Ions are ions, the plant doesn't care how they got there. The problem with manufactured nutrients isn't the nutrients themselves, its people causing pollution by the attitude of more is good and too much is better! People feed their plants stupid amounts of nutrients thinking they are force feeding the plant. Well that isn't possible, except for N, which will make the plant toxic. Also, the whole "nasty chems" myth is just that. Ask people who tell you that,, What chems?? I've never met anyone who can answer that. Why? they are just parroting something they heard from someone else. Elemental nutrient requires no processing to be avalable to a plant, and minerals that can't be absorbed directly need to be made into "salts" ( the ionic from of the mineral )
for the plant to be able to use them. This is done by a process called chelaltion. there are two ways to do this, by using an enzyme, usually with EDTA, a food grade enzyme used in many foods we eat..... and by the bacteria in organic soil. The only nasty chems are the illegal hormones etc that are put into most of the so called "bloom boosters" which no one should even use......

I never managed to find any kind of article proving that the use or organic nutes to be better or chemical to be worse. Sure, they were all repeating the same thing, but without any kind of scientific backing. I'd love to know

 

[TehSnow]

Plants absorb elements and mineral ions. And Ions are ions, the plant doesn't care how they got there. The problem with manufactured nutrients isn't the nutrients themselves, its people causing pollution by the attitude of more is good and too much is better! People feed their plants stupid amounts of nutrients thinking they are force feeding the plant. Well that isn't possible, except for N, which will make the plant toxic. Also, the whole "nasty chems" myth is just that. Ask people who tell you that,, What chems?? I've never met anyone who can answer that. Why? they are just parroting something they heard from someone else. Elemental nutrient requires no processing to be avalable to a plant, and minerals that can't be absorbed directly need to be made into "salts" ( the ionic from of the mineral )
for the plant to be able to use them. This is done by a process called chelaltion. there are two ways to do this, by using an enzyme, usually with EDTA, a food grade enzyme used in many foods we eat..... and by the bacteria in organic soil. The only nasty chems are the illegal hormones etc that are put into most of the so called "bloom boosters" which no one should even use......

Thank you a lot @pop22 ! You put it into words perfectly, the problem is the attitude of the people overfeeding and polluting.

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

I think "nasty chems" for many people also encompasses the manufacturing processes, transportation etc of the chem nutes. Maybe even the companies themselves? I know it does in my mind. Making and distributing massively diluted water based chemical nutrients around the world is pretty uncool when you think about it.

Sorry. Ranty b*stard today it seems

 

[pop22]

And shipping heavy bags and boxes of organic nutrients isn't a problem? faulty thinking IMO. Dry manufactured nutrients from that perspective have about the same environmental impact as they are much heavier and bulky..... trractors and bulldozers to scoop and pile compost.... and even organic can be over done.

There's a Chinese saying: "All things in moderation" and it seems to apply to everything in life.

I think "nasty chems" for many people also encompasses the manufacturing processes, transportation etc of the chem nutes. Maybe even the companies themselves? I know it does in my mind. Making and distributing massively diluted water based chemical nutrients around the world is pretty uncool when you think about it.

Sorry. Ranty b*stard today it seems

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

And shipping heavy bags and boxes of organic nutrients isn't a problem? faulty thinking IMO. Dry manufactured nutrients from that perspective have about the same environmental impact as they are much heavier and bulky..... trractors and bulldozers to scoop and pile compost.... and even organic can be over done.

There's a Chinese saying: "All things in moderation" and it seems to apply to everything in life.

No don’t agree there mate. Rather transport a small concentrated fertiliser puck than a big barrel of watered down nutes. Manufactured in environmentally sound way using reclaimed chicken shit.

I don’t use soil or compost either so again it depends how you do things. I use coco which is fairly good environmentally compared to most alternatives.

Rather than doing everything moderately I prefer to apply pure logic where possible. Just my opinion and very probably different to that of many people. Good show.


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[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

By the way the heaviest and bulkiest thing you can pointlessly transport around the world is water.


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[pop22]

yes, on your point, bottled nutes are the worst, organic or not. They are also very profitable to the makers..............

No don’t agree there mate. Rather transport a small concentrated fertiliser puck than a big barrel of watered down nutes. Manufactured in environmentally sound way using reclaimed chicken shit.

I don’t use soil or compost either so again it depends how you do things. I use coco which is fairly good environmentally compared to most alternatives.

Rather than doing everything moderately I prefer to apply pure logic where possible. Just my opinion and very probably different to that of many people. Good show.


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[icmoon]

What else would do with old useless coconut shells? Ahh, grow some decent medicine in it & get off this shit the quack rams down my throat every single day (under threat that if you don't take them, I will not bother with you).

Good points guys, thanks, I will take them onboard, just the next grow will be fed foodgrade 'chemicals' not made up nutes that has cost me an arm and a leg this time round. I'm glad I asked the question.

Cheers

Cmoon.

 

[icmoon]

Thanks all for your input.

I'll try & give a brief log of my grow, might give you an idea where I'm coming from.

9 seedlings, 5 White Label Super Skunk photos, 2 bubba hash autos and two freebies of which I don't have a clue.

Small tent (very small tent) 2 x 2 x 6ft ......(I told you I had no idea)

Growing in Coco Coir & pearlight.

Under 1 x 250 watt halide plus two viper LED units (supposedly 300 watt equivilents).

I was going to use RO water all through but my unit failed at the start and now (don't laugh) I've been using nothing except plain bottled water from Asda! Bloody expensive but hey it worked!or at least I think it's working. Have now fixed my RO unit.

I fed CalMag at the beginning but noticed the bought water from Asda had these in it so I quit adding it.

+ Coco A.

+ Coco B.

1st 15 weeks also Canna Veg.

last 5 weeks also Canna Florres.

One week into flowering Canna PK 13/14 for one week only.

I'm in week 20 from seedling to now.

15 weeks in veg mode.

5 weeks in flowering.

Feed brought to pH5.8 for every feed as it was during vegetitive stage (once every two or three days).

Now, I'm feeding each plant nearly 1.5 litres of water a day!

From bottom of pot to top of remaining 4 plants is almost 6ft The ones under the LED's are the smallest just for the record.

It was like the bloody Brazillian rain forest in my kitchen & my wife was giving me hell, so I passed on four nice plants to a very happy man! A very very happy man!!

.....Had to raise the tent to 8 ft as the triffids were getting rather big. They were not all autos (two were & they are now curing in jars) but it taught me a lesson.

I've also got one of those lil scopes, they are great for looking at Trichs. Any info on trichs will be appreciated, I don't wanna mess up now.

Talking of messing up I have to admit to plenty of cock-ups on this 1st grow.

First was the tent- At 5ft it was never going to be big or high enough.

I had temps of 110F during the days I was ill.

I burnt the leaves black when they (the plants) really started to grow and I was ill. Thankfully I had a timer on the lights and a timer on the night heater. BUT. The plants were touching the lights.

I cut all the top four inches of all the plants with a pair of scissors. I gave some away as I said and moved one plant outside the tent which left me with 3 inside.

They wouldn't stop growing so I had to bend some branches over,....tie some down,.... and do all sorts just to keep them in the bloody tent.

I think that's about it.

I have just looked closely at the plants and have lolipopped them all because it was so cramped that the lower leaves were very brittle and just fell off when I touched them so I cut all the lowest branches off.
Interestingly the one plant that lives outside the tent is the most advanced.....Has the most amber pistels, the most sugery/Trichs where the others are still with white pistels completely. This one plant I just put a thick black bin liner over it at night and it seems to be doing fine.

I have made SO many mistakes on my intro to growing your own but all the plants now look real healthy. As I said earlier I don't/can't smoke so with this first four plants I'm going to make tinctures with 2 and use dry-ice on the other 2.

Thank again so much for your help and support, I don't think I could have done it without you guys..........Time for a whiskey, single malt of course.

Respect as always

Cmoon

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

Sounds like a really interesting grow mate! I bet you have learned an absolute shit load along the way. My first grow was a complete disaster lol.

I’m on the verge of trying some photo plants. Did you just say you used a bin bag to give your photoperiod plant dark hours?! If you did you are my new hero dude! That’s what I call some serious yee ha work their mate and I approve [emoji3]