TLO: For dummies, from a dummy.

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I got one for ya ..do i need to wait longer to use my TLO if i add rock phosphate? If so how long do i let it cook?
IMHO, the cook time is a minimum of 30 days, without regard to whether or not you have "hard minerals" (rock phosphate, eggshells, round oyster shell, etc). I have had more than one person tell me that 2wks was long enough... Every one had performance issues during their grow... of course, they didn't take any blame... it was because "TLO doesn's work for me". :shrug:
 
Well i found this for ya if its no good remove it :P
Winter microbial carbon metabolism and community composition in Alaskan tundra soil


http://udini.proquest.com/view/winter-microbial-carbon-metabolism-goid:230770144/
C. Microbes in Cold Environments
In 1975, Morita proposed that psychrophilic organisms (bacteria, in parti cular) be defined as those that have a optimal growth temperature below 15°C, a maximal growth temperature of about 20°C and are capable of growth at or below 0°C. He suggested that any organism that was capable of growth in near freezing temperatures but had growth optima above 15°C should be referred to a psychrotrophs. However, due to the arbitrary nature of the growth temperature cutoffs, the strict definition is often ignored and the term psychrophile applied to any organism living in extreme cold envi ronments (Feller and Gerday, 2003) .
Sub - zero environmen ts, including sea ice, deep - sea water and permafrost, have been the target of many studies that are attempting to define the lower thermal range for microbial life. So far, most organisms isolated from extreme cold environments are bacteria, but a few psyc hrophilic yeasts have also been isolated. However, it is not clear whether these organisms are simply surviving or if they are actually able to grow at temperatures below freezing. Bacteria isolated from permafrost are able to grow very slowly below 0°C in pure culture (Vishnivetskaya et al., 2000; Panikov and Sizova, 2007) , but only a few studies have measured in situ growth in permafrost (Rivkina et al., 2000; Gilichinsky et al., 2003; Rivkina et al., 2004) . However, permafrost and arctic tundra soil differ in their temperature regimes; where permafrost is continually frozen, putting intense pressure on microbes to adapt to life in frozen conditions if they are to remain acti ve, tundra soil cycles between frozen and thawed states annually, releasing the pressure to adapt if only a microbe
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can survive. Thus, it is unclear whether winter - active microbial communities in tundra soil are specially adapted to frozen conditions or wh ether they are simply a hardy subset of the summer community. I hypothesized that the winter microbial community would be different from the summer community both functionally and genetically. In Chapter 3 , I use BrdU - labelling coupled with T - RFLP analysis
to compare the active and bulk bacterial communities at a genetic level. Chapters 4 & 5 address the functional aspects of winter vs. summer microbial communities.
Though few studies have directly measured winter - active microbial communities in Arctic tund ra, extensive studies have been conducted on microbial communities in frozen alpine tundra soil in Colorado (Lipson and Monson, 1998; Lipson et al., 1999, 2000; Lipson et al., 2002; Schadt et al., 2003; Schmidt and L ipson, 2004; Lipson, 2007) . The alpine differs from the Arctic in that it receives both more snow and more sun throughout the winter. However, vegetation types and nutrient cycling patterns are similar to those of Arctic tundra, making the Colorado alpine a useful ecosystem for comparison. One of the more interesting aspects of microbial community composition in the alpine is that bacteria dominate during the summer and fungi during the winter (Lipson et al., 2002; S chadt et al., 2003) . One might hypothesize that fungi would be less suited to winter conditions because of their filamentous nature. As described earlier, microbial activity in frozen soil takes place in micron - thin water films. Fungi may have difficulty fitting into the water films and thus accessing nutrients, etc. On the other hand, fungi may be able to bridge water films in a way a single - celled bacteria cannot; by maintaining channels of
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unfrozen fluid through their hyphae, fungi can translocate nutri ents from one area to another without having to wait for diffusion (Panikov and Sizova, 2007) .
Though I expected to find that microbial communities would vary between seasons, we had already shown that between summer 2004 and spring 2005, microbial communities in tussock and shrub organic soil remained fairly constant at the phyla level. In fact, native vegetation type proved to be a much stronger influence than season, as tussock and shrub communities were quite different from each other.
 
IMHO, the cook time is a minimum of 30 days, without regard to whether or not you have "hard minerals" (rock phosphate, eggshells, round oyster shell, etc). I have had more than one person tell me that 2wks was long enough... Every one had performance issues during their grow... of course, they didn't take any blame... it was because "TLO doesn's work for me". :shrug:
LOL it works great for me and that 2 week method i think i just figured it out! was thinking ..If you had a the seed in a cup or 2lt first it might take 2 weeks for its rooots to reallyey get in the TLO thus 1 month is still :key:Im baked too so that could be:key:LOL:crying:TY X
 
I would imagine whichever micros didn't die off due to temps, would go dormant until temps pick up..re-amending with ewc and compost would definitely bring the population back.I also would think that any and all microbes killed during the cold snap would make for an abundance of food for a new and booming microherd come springtime..this is just my thoughts on the matter,and should be taken with a grain of salt as I have never looked into this..but I would almost bet money a little compost and ewc and your mix should be back up and rocking in no time at all.
 
I would imagine whichever micros didn't die off due to temps, would go dormant until temps pick up..re-amending with ewc and compost would definitely bring the population back.I also would think that any and all microbes killed during the cold snap would make for an abundance of food for a new and booming microherd come springtime..this is just my thoughts on the matter,and should be taken with a grain of salt as I have never looked into this..but I would almost bet money a little compost and ewc and your mix should be back up and rocking in no time at all.
Dirt, that makes sense to me. At what volume ratio would you recommend that I add the compost and ewc to my mix?

Thanks every one else for chiming in, much appreciated as always. :tiphat:

IMHO, the cook time is a minimum of 30 days, without regard to whether or not you have "hard minerals" (rock phosphate, eggshells, round oyster shell, etc). I have had more than one person tell me that 2wks was long enough... Every one had performance issues during their grow...of course, they didn't take any blame... it was because "TLO doesn's work for me". :shrug:
I don't know if this is funny or just plain sad. It it always bewildering to me when people do not listen to others that clearly know what they are talking about, and have track records to show for it, ignore their advice, and make remarks like the one highlighted.
Sometimes you just can't fix it, can you?

:peace:
 
Dirt, that makes sense to me. At what volume ratio would you recommend that I add the compost and ewc to my mix?

Thanks every one else for chiming in, much appreciated as always. :tiphat:

I amend according to what I think my mix might need at the time..kind of a gut feeling thing.

I would do as Kilgore said...He is on point and giving very sound advice.

Yes, indeed it is , and you can incorporate it into your mix at a rate of 30%. So, in other words the next time you mix up a base soil,your compost mix should be used at 30%. Your peat/coir at 40% and then your aeration at 30%. A variable of 5-10% on each item is fine.
 
First off, thanks for the instant response Dirt.

I would do as Kilgore said...He is on point and giving very sound advice.
Yes, indeed it is , and you can incorporate it into your mix at a rate of 30%. So, in other words the next time you mix up a base soil,your compost mix should be used at 30%. Your peat/coir at 40% and then your aeration at 30%. A variable of 5-10% on each item is fine.

So, does 10% ewc/compost sound about right to add to my existing mix, and
then add the peat/coir and aeration % accordingly?
Remember, I am dealing with a fair amount of soil, so I need to add the minimum amount of re-amendments possible, yet I will add whatever amounts that is necessary.

Thanks for your time. :peace:
 
Remember, I am dealing with a fair amount of soil, so I need to add the minimum amount of re-amendments possible
EWC is expensive for most of us, but it's not the only thing you can use. Mushroom compost is good and you can get it at the box stores pretty cheap... that way you can stay with the 30% compost ratio without going broke. :D You may have a farm co-op or nursery that sells these things in bulk, by the yard. You may want to look into that too. :peace:
 
EWC is expensive for most of us, but it's not the only thing you can use. Mushroom compost is good and you can get it at the box stores pretty cheap... that way you can stay with the 30% compost ratio without going broke. :D You may have a farm co-op or nursery that sells these things in bulk, by the yard. You may want to look into that too. :peace:
Sweet, I just checked out Lowes online at the specific store where I shop, in stock for $3. 88 per cubic ft. That will be a nice addition to my mix anyway, plus some Alfalfa Meal and, and, well you know.:D

Hey, I was at Lowes the other day to pick up some more Dolomite Lime just to have on hand, $2.97 per 40# bag. I was blown away, but it is packaged locally.Plus the check stand I went to had only one customer in it, an older Gent.He and the sales clerk were both had been/were Marines. I heard them make a comment about Sailors and drinking, I piped up and made a joke, since I had been a squid. I thanked the young man waiting on me for his service, he thanked me back, and gave me a military discount. I walked out of the store with 160# of lime for just under 10 bucks.

Thanks bro for the heads up :thumbs:

:peace:
 
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