Hey guys,
It's been a long time since I've visited here. I signed up again to get some advice of you people out there.
Let's start off with some things about myself, just to get to know each other some better. You could skip this part if you're more interested in the title.
- 26 years old and growing MJ since I was 17.
- I have been breeding since something close to 7 years ago, mostly focussing on the outdoor types of plants, both photosensitive as well as autoflowering.
- I have been giving advice on forums for the past 8 years or so. Ever since I turned 18.
So, what's the deal? Well, I've struck gold with one of my AF hybrid projects. But gold is worthless unless you can sell it, right? So I figured to sell my genetics, either FEM-versions from my own seed store (which is non-existant at this time) or sell the genetics with all the background information/documentation to a renowned breeder. I'm wondering if you guys could give some advice on what to do; a friendly breeder offered me a bag of money if I am willing to donate 20 regular sex seeds. But I've spend over 6 years on this project, and I'm not sure whether I want to keep it to myself or not. I simply need advice on what to do; keep this to myself for maximum profit, or sell these genetics to allow some breeders to have a go at it.
Here are some technicalities:
Project White Rihanna
Description of goal: The aim is to create a long flowering autoflower with semi-auto characteristics, suitable for outdoor growth. Increased size compared to normal autoflowering strains caused by selective breeding for these characteristics.
Genetic make up: [Critical Jack Herer x Autoflower hybrids from own library]
Selection process: Annual selective breeding for traits: Height, Disease resistance, Late onset of flowering.
Progess: Generation 3 of stabilizing genes. (Inbreeding stage: F3).
Time spent on project: 6 years / 6 Summers.
General:
Feminized: No.
Height: 1,2 metres and up in 9L of soil. In 2017 I found that the late-flowering-onset gene is dominant, meaning that in this generation, only <25% stays at an 'regular autoflower' size. Everything else reaches 6ft and then some.
Yield: 3 packed ziplock bags of 1L (+/- 150 grams per plant in 2016).
Soil demands: none, grows on everything. Prefered medium: regular potting soil.
Stress resistance: High.
Manipulation resistance (clipping, trimming, LST, etc.): High. These plants are as fool-proof as they get.
Disease resistance: Moderate -> When actively infected with mildew, it spreads (2016). When actively infected with mildew, it does not spread (2017). When infected with Botrytis, plant rejects tissue to prevent infection spread. This causes the plant to not get entirely infected. Dutch-summer proof, so to speak.
Taste: Honey, Grapefruit, Orange, Hasj.
Phenotypes: One, hybrid with sativa tendencies. Three generations seem pretty stable, producing the same phenotype every time.
Cuttings: Yes, you can actually take cuttings, since the growth period is pretty close to 4 months.
The pictures below are an example of these genetics: sown in April, onset of flowering around the end of June, harvest just before september. Just a little feeding. Seeds were sown in 9L containers, and moved to the full soil after flowering started.
A birds eye view of last years mother. LST'd for fun.
All pictures below are from the same plant.
So this is basically an AF that can compete with photosensitive plants when it comes to size and yield.
This year, the plants are looking like this:
On the right side, there's a store bought so-called "XL Autoflower" in the same conditions. See below for a size comparison.
Above: Store bought XL AF. Sown at the same time as the plants below, lighter for scale.
Above: Homemade genetics, only just starting to flower. The plant on the left was cut open (stem) due to some cell division issues I thought were going on. It's a nice way to see how these plants handle manipulation anyways. It does hold them back a little, but not much.
Above: showing plants in full size, to the right is a male which was sown alone in a container. This allows for broader leaf growth and an overall nicer plant compared to the two-in-one-container growth. The male was sown later, the females (in the back, left) have started true flowering as of today; the first hairs from the tips are visible, the date is 11th of July.
In conclusion:
This is a fool-proof autoflower, with dominant late-onset of flowering, capable of growing on anything, it's forgiving, herm-free, versatile and it delivers. It can take a beating, hence the Rihanna in the name.
I have some more AF strains I'm mixing in right now, aiming for purple or pink buds, along with a better and more musky flavor. It's a bit too citrus-ey for my taste. The sativa-fluffyness of this plant allows it to ventilate properly, so I'm aiming to keep that trait.
So back to the initial question: What would you pick if you were in my shoes?
Option 1: A befriended breeder offered me a bag of money for the F4 genetics and full documentation, along a testtube with male F3 pollen. I am allowed to continue my own work with these plants, but I am not allowed to sell the initial White Rihanna strain in seed form.
Option 2: Start my own seed company, feminise these seeds, sell them from there.
Option 2.5: Never sell them, keep them to myself and keep breeding. FTW.
Why not option 3: Get a middle man who sells it for you, while you handle the production side?
Because I don't have the room, nor the time to be producing for somebody else.
Any advice is always welcome!
If you guys would like it, I can continue this thread, updating it with pictures.
*English is not my native language, so if you need any sentence clarified, feel free to ask.
It's been a long time since I've visited here. I signed up again to get some advice of you people out there.
Let's start off with some things about myself, just to get to know each other some better. You could skip this part if you're more interested in the title.
- 26 years old and growing MJ since I was 17.
- I have been breeding since something close to 7 years ago, mostly focussing on the outdoor types of plants, both photosensitive as well as autoflowering.
- I have been giving advice on forums for the past 8 years or so. Ever since I turned 18.
So, what's the deal? Well, I've struck gold with one of my AF hybrid projects. But gold is worthless unless you can sell it, right? So I figured to sell my genetics, either FEM-versions from my own seed store (which is non-existant at this time) or sell the genetics with all the background information/documentation to a renowned breeder. I'm wondering if you guys could give some advice on what to do; a friendly breeder offered me a bag of money if I am willing to donate 20 regular sex seeds. But I've spend over 6 years on this project, and I'm not sure whether I want to keep it to myself or not. I simply need advice on what to do; keep this to myself for maximum profit, or sell these genetics to allow some breeders to have a go at it.
Here are some technicalities:
Project White Rihanna
Description of goal: The aim is to create a long flowering autoflower with semi-auto characteristics, suitable for outdoor growth. Increased size compared to normal autoflowering strains caused by selective breeding for these characteristics.
Genetic make up: [Critical Jack Herer x Autoflower hybrids from own library]
Selection process: Annual selective breeding for traits: Height, Disease resistance, Late onset of flowering.
Progess: Generation 3 of stabilizing genes. (Inbreeding stage: F3).
Time spent on project: 6 years / 6 Summers.
General:
Feminized: No.
Height: 1,2 metres and up in 9L of soil. In 2017 I found that the late-flowering-onset gene is dominant, meaning that in this generation, only <25% stays at an 'regular autoflower' size. Everything else reaches 6ft and then some.
Yield: 3 packed ziplock bags of 1L (+/- 150 grams per plant in 2016).
Soil demands: none, grows on everything. Prefered medium: regular potting soil.
Stress resistance: High.
Manipulation resistance (clipping, trimming, LST, etc.): High. These plants are as fool-proof as they get.
Disease resistance: Moderate -> When actively infected with mildew, it spreads (2016). When actively infected with mildew, it does not spread (2017). When infected with Botrytis, plant rejects tissue to prevent infection spread. This causes the plant to not get entirely infected. Dutch-summer proof, so to speak.
Taste: Honey, Grapefruit, Orange, Hasj.
Phenotypes: One, hybrid with sativa tendencies. Three generations seem pretty stable, producing the same phenotype every time.
Cuttings: Yes, you can actually take cuttings, since the growth period is pretty close to 4 months.
The pictures below are an example of these genetics: sown in April, onset of flowering around the end of June, harvest just before september. Just a little feeding. Seeds were sown in 9L containers, and moved to the full soil after flowering started.
A birds eye view of last years mother. LST'd for fun.
All pictures below are from the same plant.
So this is basically an AF that can compete with photosensitive plants when it comes to size and yield.
This year, the plants are looking like this:
On the right side, there's a store bought so-called "XL Autoflower" in the same conditions. See below for a size comparison.
Above: Store bought XL AF. Sown at the same time as the plants below, lighter for scale.
Above: Homemade genetics, only just starting to flower. The plant on the left was cut open (stem) due to some cell division issues I thought were going on. It's a nice way to see how these plants handle manipulation anyways. It does hold them back a little, but not much.
Above: showing plants in full size, to the right is a male which was sown alone in a container. This allows for broader leaf growth and an overall nicer plant compared to the two-in-one-container growth. The male was sown later, the females (in the back, left) have started true flowering as of today; the first hairs from the tips are visible, the date is 11th of July.
In conclusion:
This is a fool-proof autoflower, with dominant late-onset of flowering, capable of growing on anything, it's forgiving, herm-free, versatile and it delivers. It can take a beating, hence the Rihanna in the name.
I have some more AF strains I'm mixing in right now, aiming for purple or pink buds, along with a better and more musky flavor. It's a bit too citrus-ey for my taste. The sativa-fluffyness of this plant allows it to ventilate properly, so I'm aiming to keep that trait.
So back to the initial question: What would you pick if you were in my shoes?
Option 1: A befriended breeder offered me a bag of money for the F4 genetics and full documentation, along a testtube with male F3 pollen. I am allowed to continue my own work with these plants, but I am not allowed to sell the initial White Rihanna strain in seed form.
Option 2: Start my own seed company, feminise these seeds, sell them from there.
Option 2.5: Never sell them, keep them to myself and keep breeding. FTW.
Why not option 3: Get a middle man who sells it for you, while you handle the production side?
Because I don't have the room, nor the time to be producing for somebody else.
Any advice is always welcome!
If you guys would like it, I can continue this thread, updating it with pictures.
*English is not my native language, so if you need any sentence clarified, feel free to ask.
