New Grower Still not better, someone please help!

[Dewey Matter]

@MesaBoogie They are very wet right now, as I just flushed them, will let them alone for the next few days to see what happens

I was about to give her a 1/2 gal of feed, but you think I should wait a few days?

Fed two days in a row, flushed on a third day and you're considering feeding again on day 4 or 5, this is not good decision making - it's not a fully realized plan. I'm not very experienced, but I believe you and the plants could be better served by not being so reactive. You had issues, but the constant correction attempts are going to create new ones to chase down later and maybe muddy the symptoms of the original problem(s). Which you decided was overfeeding based on the flush you did - but you might consider using weak nutes for the end of the flush, not plain water.

Have you checked the temps from your lights on the top leaves? I know you've looked into it, but I still have to say the lights seems close. Why are you foliar feeding neem? Good luck untangling her issues!

 

[Daxxor]

Fed two days in a row, flushed on a third day and you're considering feeding again on day 4 or 5, this is not good decision making - it's not a fully realized plan. I'm not very experienced, but I believe you and the plants could be better served by not being so reactive. You had issues, but the constant correction attempts are going to create new ones to chase down later and maybe muddy the symptoms of the original problem(s). Which you decided was overfeeding based on the flush you did - but you might consider using weak nutes for the end of the flush, not plain water.

Have you checked the temps from your lights on the top leaves? I know you've looked into it, but I still have to say the lights seems close. Why are you foliar feeding neem? Good luck untangling her issues!

@Dewey Matter
Yeah I have definitely been reacting to her too much, but have had multiple inputs in threads and conversations. That's why I'm just leaving her alone for awhile. The lights aren't actually that close and I moved them up 3 more inches even more since. The CFL's were around 12+ inches away and the top LED about 22-24 inches. The Neem was recommended earlier as a foliar spray in a different thread. I been using a light mix of it. Like i said I am very new to all of this. Just took these pics, She is still in rough shape, but hopefully after a few days to let the soil dry up, I checked it this morning and still super wet. Thanks for the help and advice.

 

[Maraconi]

@Dewey Matter
Yeah I have definitely been reacting to her too much, but have had multiple inputs in threads and conversations. That's why I'm just leaving her alone for awhile. The lights aren't actually that close and I moved them up 3 more inches even more since. The CFL's were around 12+ inches away and the top LED about 22-24 inches. The Neem was recommended earlier as a foliar spray in a different thread. I been using a light mix of it. Like i said I am very new to all of this. Just took these pics, She is still in rough shape, but hopefully after a few days to let the soil dry up, I checked it this morning and still super wet. Thanks for the help and advice.



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Reminds me of my first setups LOL. Try putting the fan on the bottom of the pot so the soil can dry out. Rotate every 2 hours.

 

[Dewey Matter]

It seems like you're starting from a good spot, your soil pH is in range and clear of excess nutes/salts. In the absence of a specific diagnosis, the less-is-more approach to growing problems is my preference - if it were me, no more neem unless you have bugs, get those to me pots dried out a bit, reintroduce soil flora, start feeding at a lower PPM...watch any new growth for a progress report.

Try putting the fan on the bottom of the pot so the soil can dry out.

Yep, I have a small fan pushing fresh air in the tent at pot level. Keeps air circulation up around the pot bottoms and assists with drying.

 

[Daxxor]

It seems like you're starting from a good spot, your soil pH is in range and clear of excess nutes/salts. In the absence of a specific diagnosis, the less-is-more approach to growing problems is my preference - if it were me, no more neem unless you have bugs, get those to me pots dried out a bit, reintroduce soil flora, start feeding at a lower PPM...watch any new growth for a progress report.



Yep, I have a small fan pushing fresh air in the tent at pot level. Keeps air circulation up around the pot bottoms and assists with drying.

Okay so I have one fan taking air in and the other at the bottom pulling air out by the pots, none on the plants. I am seeing more gnats flying all around her, but will deal with those later as its not many and I have my yellow sticky trap in there yet. She isnt getting worse, but not really looking like she is getting better yet. Ground is still quite wet to the touch, I will watch for a few days without doing anything. All of this happened within her changing to preflower/flower. guess I jumped the gun feeding her at full strength. When she dries up I will only feed at the 1/4-1/2 and no more. Not sure how she will turn out now, she has had issues the whole grow. from germ taking 5 days on.

 

[Daxxor]

Okay here is some updated pics of her, I had to LST her again, because even though she is sick, its almost amusing, she is still pushing new leaves and small stretch growth and increasing on flowers forming and growing.

 

[Waira]

..gotta be that fucked OF soil,... did you take pH readings of the flush run-off to see where things are at?
all this flushing is stripping things out,.. are you using any Ca-Mg? This still looks like major Ca defc., P likely as well,... Roots have taken a beating now, flushing is a stressor itself sometimes, but it has to be done in certain circumstances,...
Seedlings in that same soil? Same symptoms,... and OF is too hot for them typically,... OF often has badly off pH, and mentioned before,... gotta get the right gear mate, that soil pH probe is key,... it would solve this mystery quickly I bet, unless the soil is mucked in other ways....
Let her dru out some, and ease nutes and Ca-Mg in,.. you can foliar treat with the Ca-Mg; you'll need a wetting agent, or mild soap like castile.. this stuff help the solution coat and stick instead of beading up; more gets in! Spray tops and bottoms of leaves, bottoms have more stomata..... use Ca-Mg at half strength, ....

 

[Daxxor]

..gotta be that fucked OF soil,... did you take pH readings of the flush run-off to see where things are at?
all this flushing is stripping things out,.. are you using any Ca-Mg? This still looks like major Ca defc., P likely as well,... Roots have taken a beating now, flushing is a stressor itself sometimes, but it has to be done in certain circumstances,...
Seedlings in that same soil? Same symptoms,... and OF is too hot for them typically,... OF often has badly off pH, and mentioned before,... gotta get the right gear mate, that soil pH probe is key,... it would solve this mystery quickly I bet, unless the soil is mucked in other ways....
Let her dru out some, and ease nutes and Ca-Mg in,.. you can foliar treat with the Ca-Mg; you'll need a wetting agent, or mild soap like castile.. this stuff help the solution coat and stick instead of beading up; more gets in! Spray tops and bottoms of leaves, bottoms have more stomata..... use Ca-Mg at half strength, ....

I got the Accu8 it says Soil PH is at 6.3 - 6.5 in the big one, and the Little one I goofed and fed it what I fed the big one, grabbed wrong container and too late....damage done. I think I fed too strong, overwatered bigtime and flushed 2 gallons out of her. So I havent fed or watered since, I am waiting for them to dry out. Top isnt as wet now, but root area still pretty wet.
Little one isnt in same soil, she is in Royal Gold/ Perl mixture.
@Waira
Here are today's pics.

Root zone

Little Girl Deep

Little girl Mid

Wetness deep

Probe Mid

Wetness Mid

 

[Daxxor]

She doesn't seem to be getting any better, Help please?
I just misted her with a Cal mag foliar spray. I reintroduced a light 1/4 strength feed with some AN MGB, and some liquid seaweed and cal mag after waiting six days yesterday.

 

[HighnDry]

She doesn't seem to be getting any better, Help please?
I just misted her with a Cal mag foliar spray. I reintroduced a light 1/4 strength feed with some AN MGB, and some liquid seaweed and cal mag after waiting six days yesterday.

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The affected leaves won't get any better, only worse. New growth looks good though, is it affecting new?