Hal I honestly didn't even think about sending cash I do not know why but it never crossed my mind. I got an autoultimate started so I'm giving Herbie one last chance to prove themselves to me. Them not in the breeders packs just worries the Shit out of me. God forbid these are junk seeds I will be ordering from seedsman, seedsupreme possibly true north. I'm really hoping I do not have to order from anywhere else, herbies ships fast when you go with stealth shipping. All my orders came within 10 days after being shipped stealth. I ordered autoultimate and auto extreme because I have seen how much potential they have in the right hands. I'm still very worried about them being taken out of the breeders packs, it just seemed to me that they never sent the order to begin with and waited until I emailed them and they suggested shipping them stealth mode and I get them within 10 days. No slip from customs enforcement agency ever so they didn't confiscate them. I will keep posted on my autoultimate grow. Not ready to do a full grow journal yet, soon but not yet. Would like to see any autoultimate pics anyone has.