Fast Buds Ruderalis, wtf

[Doug58]

I've grown around six or so varieties of Fastbuds and had some plants go 120 days growing outside in the long days of Summer. They looked just like yours when I did aggressive topping. I'm up near Canada. Northern Latitudes.

What kind of lights are you using? My 4'x4'x6'4" grow cabinet has three different LED panels which puts out a good deal of lighting and my indoor plants finish much sooner when I am running the lights 20/4 than the outdoor grow where I am lucky to get 15 hours of daylight and maybe 8-10 hours of direct sunlight.

 

[oldcoot]

I've grown around six or so varieties of Fastbuds and had some plants go 120 days growing outside in the long days of Summer. They looked just like yours when I did aggressive topping. I'm up near Canada. Northern Latitudes.

What kind of lights are you using? My 4'x4'x6'4" grow cabinet has three different LED panels which puts out a good deal of lighting and my indoor plants finish much sooner when I am running the lights 20/4 than the outdoor grow where I am lucky to get 15 hours of daylight and maybe 8-10 hours of direct sunlight.

Ive grown about that with fast buds too,all fat buds including their mostly sativa's.
Dont know but feeling better about it now.
Well now with your post , not sure if it is just strongly sativa gene.
I run leds too, lights running 16/8 for the last two weeks.
Havent topped at all, just supercrop to slow growth .
Im 40° latitude.

 

[Waira]

Woooo, she's a looker 'Coot! Don't you worry about potency either, this one staff has grown out and they were very pleased...
What you have here is a bit of an odd pheno', she auto'ed alright, but is a longer cycle type plant... It does bite wang when you get a damn freak pheno' that takes several weeks longer than she should, and that can and does happen to any breeder,.... but sometimes it's careless breeding and selection that can lead to it showing more often, and true, strongly Sativa auto's tend to take longer...
One thing to keep in mind here, from what breeders and others tell me, "auto'ing" simply means the plant will bloom under longer light hours (vs. a true photo) regardless, they don't need the longer dark hours to trigger bloom,.... but it's not defined by speed of their life cycle... There are auto's that can take 3-4 months, but breeders don't generally select those because at that point, one might as well have grown a photo'! In early breeding stages, you can get such auto's normally, but they aren't desirable, folks think speed when it comes to auto's so they breed/parent select for this,....
GC auto is a slightly sativa dominant hybrid, less "Sativa" than the photo parents in fact... Also, this is listed as a 9-10 week plant, so you're not too badly off time here and have the benefit of a larger yield of what looks to be fine-ass buds forming up! By no means is this a strongly Sativa dom. cross, like some of the Haze or landrace crosses out there that may be more likely to have long cycle pheno's lunking....
So, just ride her out, she's a damn nice plant mate! You got unlucky is all... Every seed is a little gamble, no matter who the breeder is... The autoflowering phenomena is way more complicated than a simple double recessive allele thing, trust me,... more than one way and mode of action from what I see and am told by breeders/botanists... there are many examples of odd auto'ing out there, not just the ruderalis species (taxonomy is another bitch-slap fight out there, BTW) but in normal photo landrace strains too... equatorial Sativas especially! A mate named Tobe here has a PNG landrace the expressed "auto" pheno's along with the usual 9-10 month life cycle parents... consider what such plants experience for light: nearly 12/12 all year long right? Here we have an unusual showing of this auto thing, likely a throw-back survival adaptation, not commonly expressed, but it offers no survival negatives, certainly some positives and so it persists in the population... Far different from the true native type ruderalis plants auto'ing as an adaptation to harsh environments and short unpredictable seasons....

 

[oldcoot]

Woooo, she's a looker 'Coot! Don't you worry about potency either, this one staff has grown out and they were very pleased...
What you have here is a bit of an odd pheno', she auto'ed alright, but is a longer cycle type plant... It does bite wang when you get a damn freak pheno' that takes several weeks longer than she should, and that can and does happen to any breeder,.... but sometimes it's careless breeding and selection that can lead to it showing more often, and true, strongly Sativa auto's tend to take longer...
One thing to keep in mind here, from what breeders and others tell me, "auto'ing" simply means the plant will bloom under longer light hours (vs. a true photo) regardless, they don't need the longer dark hours to trigger bloom,.... but it's not defined by speed of their life cycle... There are auto's that can take 3-4 months, but breeders don't generally select those because at that point, one might as well have grown a photo'! In early breeding stages, you can get such auto's normally, but they aren't desirable, folks think speed when it comes to auto's so they breed/parent select for this,....
GC auto is a slightly sativa dominant hybrid, less "Sativa" than the photo parents in fact... Also, this is listed as a 9-10 week plant, so you're not too badly off time here and have the benefit of a larger yield of what looks to be fine-ass buds forming up! By no means is this a strongly Sativa dom. cross, like some of the Haze or landrace crosses out there that may be more likely to have long cycle pheno's lunking....
So, just ride her out, she's a damn nice plant mate! You got unlucky is all... Every seed is a little gamble, no matter who the breeder is... The autoflowering phenomena is way more complicated than a simple double recessive allele thing, trust me,... more than one way and mode of action from what I see and am told by breeders/botanists... there are many examples of odd auto'ing out there, not just the ruderalis species (taxonomy is another bitch-slap fight out there, BTW) but in normal photo landrace strains too... equatorial Sativas especially! A mate named Tobe here has a PNG landrace the expressed "auto" pheno's along with the usual 9-10 month life cycle parents... consider what such plants experience for light: nearly 12/12 all year long right? Here we have an unusual showing of this auto thing, likely a throw-back survival adaptation, not commonly expressed, but it offers no survival negatives, certainly some positives and so it persists in the population... Far different from the true native type ruderalis plants auto'ing as an adaptation to harsh environments and short unpredictable seasons....

Thankyou @waira,guess i still got some learning to do,just wasnt sure with this type bud .
Murphy's law i guess, him and i go hand in hand.
Thanks again.

 

[Archaic]

I'm not sure what the issue is, that looks like an autoflower that's about a month from the finish, which is in fact what it is.

 

[oldcoot]

I'm not sure what the issue is, that looks like an autoflower that's about a month from the finish, which is in fact what it is.

The issue is, im a dumbass.
And yeah,im fiquring around another month yet.

 

[Doug58]

Ive grown about that with fast buds too,all fat buds including their mostly sativa's.
Dont know but feeling better about it now.
Well now with your post , not sure if it is just strongly sativa gene.
I run leds too, lights running 16/8 for the last two weeks.
Havent topped at all, just supercrop to slow growth .
Im 40° latitude.

I haven't grown that strain but I grew Mexican Airlines outdoors last Summer above the 45th parallel. It had very narrow sativa leaves and my plant had a tree fall and break it at the 5th node. I cut the broken branch off and it ended up with 4 colas. I had it written down somewhere how many dried ounces it yielded. 5 or 6 maybe? I know I have one quart jar, couple of pint jars, maybe a couple of 1/2 pint jars. I'm smoking it tonight and it is a relaxing high at the moment. Smoked a half a bowl and I have a weird buzzing in my ears.

From Fastbuds I also grew LSD-25, Fastberry, Pineapple Express, Rhino Ryder and Gorilla Glue.

Then a few strains from Afterthought Autos.

Also one photoperiod plant that yielded a pound I was able to harvest but then bud rot hit the plants after a week of constant rain and I lost 1/4 pound or so.

I've got 5 photo plants going in a small tent right now that I hope to harden off in May during the days and then transplant sometime in June once frost ends.

I don't even know if I will grow any Fastbuds this year. I'm in a completely legal mid-Western state where you can grow 12 plants.

I harvested enough last fall that I had two final plants I just cut the best buds off and left the rest of two plants to rot. One was a Pineapple Express which I believe has a Hawaiian sativa in its lineage and it had narrow leaves and small buds. But I had grown another of the same and it was a shorter indica appearing plant with just a single huge tightly packed cola.

 

[jdm61]

Waira, what is the functional difference between an auto and say a tropical sativa that has pretty much the same light Psycho you’re around even if it’s effectively 12/12?

 

[Waira]

I forgot to mention how Tobe knew those PNG's landraces were auto's... He had them under 20/4 light for veg', and a few went into bloom anyway!
That's the defining feature of auto's, right? They go into bloom regardless of the light hours, over or under 12/12, blooming is NOT governed by the usual phytochrome feedback mechanism responding to amount of dark hours,.. And nothing is locked in at 12 hours of dark either, my OD plants go into bloom around mid- Aug., about 10.5 hours of dark...
Many breeders recommend dropping light hours for landrace Sativa's below 12/12,... i.e., my mate Robbio here has a Zamal (African) that's finishing at 10/14, blooming faster than before! Still taking her sweet bloody time, but that's normal for such a strain,...
If you guys are interested in well worked, true landrace/heirloom varieties and crosses, check out ACE and CannaBioGen... Another mate Ribbzzy just finished Golden Tiger (Malawi x Thai), 5 months total time, and says it's some of the most electric, devastating psychoactive sativa bud he's ever had! He grew their Zamadelica auto too, outstanding stuff.. He crushes his grows, so I know I can have confidence in his evaluations...
Don't be put off by airy bud, tropical landrace Sativa's , real-deal Hazes, etc. are not know for tight buds... Mold resistance is very high, in part because of the open structure of the buds... never forget, looks don't get you high, trichome content does- .... certain Thai, African, et al are well known for their ferocious highs due to their terpene and other rarer cannabinoid content profile...

 

[oldcoot]

Thanks again @Waira ,well I did lower the cycle to 16/8 couple weeks ago, wonder if I should lower more again to like 14/10 for a couple more weeks ?
I know with auto's, light cycle dosent matter or so I thought. I just dropped this one down to see if it might help.
any idea if these type buds are worth pressing:smiley1:
but I can always make oil, have an oz. of sweet tooth oil now,fiqured if I had to go the hospital,i'd have momma bring my oil.
Thanks again, can always count on your knowledge . appreciated.