RSO(Rick Simpson Oil) VS. Cannabis Paste

[JAYAR]

Is R4 only available in dispenseries

Yeah only Greenwerkz dispenseries have it. Just looked it up, it's cheap too at $30/eighth.

 

[PasteRocks]

Producing Cannabis Paste instead of Cannabis oil is 1667% more efficient to make. When you make the "Paste" you get 32 months of supply from a pound of cannabis or 32 jars. But when making the RSO oil you only get 3 months supply or 2 oz of oil. There is NO reason to concentrate the medicine when our bodies can absorb the paste just the same.

When you concentrate cannabis to create an oil you throw the left over plant matter in the trash.

RSO is also flammable and dangerous to make.

Note: Making the paste, one can use many methods such as controlled temperatures and using Coconut,Olive Oil or Vegetable Glycerin. So Briman this is funny sounding but who in the world would ever make Cannabis oil? Maybe someone who wants to waste 1667% of their cannabis? All the best!

 

[PasteRocks]

R4 seeds were given away to a few people. I have some and grow R4. Kelly Roller is an awesome man who gave it away! Hats off to him! NewCure.org

 

[PasteRocks]

By the way NICE website AFN

 

[Mossy]

PasteRocks are you from the company or in contact with the company...?
Coz you are quite Welcome to come in and give us a Talk on the subject..we have a High med canna users on site so we are always Happy to see something New that might Help.

We have a Live Help thread that we Invite guest speakers into..get the News out to our members..you would be Welcome to a spot..:tiphat:

 

[Animatey]

Producing Cannabis Paste instead of Cannabis oil is 1667% more efficient to make. When you make the "Paste" you get 32 months of supply from a pound of cannabis or 32 jars. But when making the RSO oil you only get 3 months supply or 2 oz of oil. There is NO reason to concentrate the medicine when our bodies can absorb the paste just the same.

When you concentrate cannabis to create an oil you throw the left over plant matter in the trash.

RSO is also flammable and dangerous to make.

Note: Making the paste, one can use many methods such as controlled temperatures and using Coconut,Olive Oil or Vegetable Glycerin. So Briman this is funny sounding but who in the world would ever make Cannabis oil? Maybe someone who wants to waste 1667% of their cannabis? All the best!

RSO is not the best way to make decarbed oil, but it's plenty safe if you follow a couple simple safety precautions. An oil concentrate also has many benefits paste and other edibles do not.

I watched some of the vid, and at least they decarb the weed in the paste, but it's not more efficient because you have more end mass... that is silly.

We don't care about weight when talking about medicine, we care about the total of the active ingredients (in this case cannabinoids). RSO is going to lose some in the extraction process, and so the paste may be more efficient in that sense, but it is a trade off, because paste is less convenient due to the fact that you need to consume more paste than RSO to achieve the same amount of cannabinoid bioavailability.

I think a better comparison for the paste would be a cannabis tincture. Tincture wins hands down because it's way more convenient (boil an ounce of weed into 30ml if you want), and will lose less in the extraction process for a tincture than you do grinding up the herb for paste.

The bottom line is that decarbed weed is decarbed weed. Concentrate it down you can make it more potent. Paste is like any other edible, there is no bonus for combining weed with olive oil and/or VG.

Instead of making RSO, I use everclear (95% ethanol). This method can give you a near pefect decarb:

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwet-extraction/

Decarbing the THCA into THC without converting too much THC into CBN can only be done consistently using an oil bath like the one described above (involving extracting a concentrate).

Heating the paste to decarb, the way described in the video isn't as good as an oil bath because decarbing occurs naturally with time and temperature, so you never know how much of the weed has already been decarbed when you get it. 10 and a half hours at 180 degrees will have completely different results on different buds depending on how long they cured etc.

It matters getting the perfect decarb if using for medicine, because if you decarb for too long you end up degrading the THC into CBN, which is undesirable for multiple reasons, but if you don't do it long enough then you have THCA that never gets converted into THC.

I appreciate what the guy in the vid is trying to do (minus all the religious whatever), but I don't feel convinced at all that paste is revolutionary and RSO is somehow lesser.

 

[Eekman]

RSO is not the best way to make decarbed oil, but it's plenty safe if you follow a couple simple safety precautions. An oil concentrate also has many benefits paste and other edibles do not.

I watched some of the vid, and at least they decarb the weed in the paste, but it's not more efficient because you have more end mass... that is silly.

We don't care about weight when talking about medicine, we care about the total of the active ingredients (in this case cannabinoids). RSO is going to lose some in the extraction process, and so the paste may be more efficient in that sense, but it is a trade off, because paste is less convenient due to the fact that you need to consume more paste than RSO to achieve the same amount of cannabinoid bioavailability.

I think a better comparison for the paste would be a cannabis tincture. Tincture wins hands down because it's way more convenient (boil an ounce of weed into 30ml if you want), and will lose less in the extraction process for a tincture than you do grinding up the herb for paste.

The bottom line is that decarbed weed is decarbed weed. Concentrate it down you can make it more potent. Paste is like any other edible, there is no bonus for combining weed with olive oil and/or VG.

Instead of making RSO, I use everclear (95% ethanol). This method can give you a near pefect decarb:

http://skunkpharmresearch.com/qwet-extraction/

Decarbing the THCA into THC without converting too much THC into CBN can only be done consistently using an oil bath like the one described above (involving extracting a concentrate).

Heating the paste to decarb, the way described in the video isn't as good as an oil bath because decarbing occurs naturally with time and temperature, so you never know how much of the weed has already been decarbed when you get it. 10 and a half hours at 180 degrees will have completely different results on different buds depending on how long they cured etc.

It matters getting the perfect decarb if using for medicine, because if you decarb for too long you end up degrading the THC into CBN, which is undesirable for multiple reasons, but if you don't do it long enough then you have THCA that never gets converted into THC.

I appreciate what the guy in the vid is trying to do (minus all the religious whatever), but I don't feel convinced at all that paste is revolutionary and RSO is somehow lesser.

Very nice response Animatey,

Well written and organized for easy reference :smoke:

I tend to agree with you mostly, and I have always tried to wrap my head around why it is not as simple as just concentrated cannabis. But really it is isn't it? Really, we know how to do it many ways, for different things, but it is the delivery and reg.s that keep us down, hmmm, maybe.

And many folks don't want the psychoactive effects either, so how to we do that and still get the great benefits?

But I guess it is a matter of preference. It seems if folks want to use paste, it would be okay to me, but that is if you want to consume so much vegetable matter as well..


Eek

 

[Animatey]

Very nice response Animatey,

Well written and organized for easy reference :smoke:

I tend to agree with you mostly, and I have always tried to wrap my head around why it is not as simple as just concentrated cannabis. But really it is isn't it? Really, we know how to do it many ways, for different things, but it is the delivery and reg.s that keep us down, hmmm, maybe.

And many folks don't want the psychoactive effects either, so how to we do that and still get the great benefits?

But I guess it is a matter of preference. It seems if folks want to use paste, it would be okay to me, but that is if you want to consume so much vegetable matter as well..


Eek

Thanks Eek for the kind words ;D

I think the paste is probably going to be fine, and I agree if someone ends up liking it that is totally fine with me. It's decarbed so it's orally active for whatever purpose, and it honestly looks fairly easy to make in your kitchen. However, just like you said you gotta eat all that green as well lol...

So yeah, I pretty much think it would be as effective as any other method using heat to decarb at set temps and times. The results of the decarb will vary batch to batch, and that may or may not matter depending on why it's being used. If I had a serious medical need, I would be more inclined to use a method that gave me feedback into how far along the weed is in the decarb process (like an oil bath).

For the past few months I have been using an oven to decarb just out of convenience. I don't use weed medically very often anymore, it's mostly recreational, so for ppl who want to just get high, I would def recommend the oven for ease of use. 250 degrees for 20-25 mins works consistently enough in my experience thus far for getting blasted ;D

30 mins is too far for me a lot of times and makes sleepy cbn heavy meds x__x


I just finished reading your post on cbd oil, very cool! I am going to save my fan leaves and stems this time, I normally chuck them out ;D

 

[dingo]

Not sure of how paste vs RSO benefits the body but watching the video interview one point was made very clear.
RSO = heals and contains active THC
Paste = heals and will not get you high.

For strictly medical use, my assumption is that paste could be given in higher doses when needed than RSO.
This would be beneficial to patients with life threating ailments, where they are already frail and have no interest in being disorientated by a THC.

Myself am only interested in preventative care for my family. I see opportunities to convert part of my stash to good use by making paste oil to keep future cancer and arthritis at bay as I get older.

The cooking part of 170-180c for 10 hours in water is really a bain marie environment. An electric crock pot with thermostat should be easier to manage the cooking stage.

 

[Mossy]

Food for Thought.....

When human PH is running low and they are sick..this happens...

The Acidic/Mineral Bugaboo

You See this little piece at the bottom..?

Potassium and Magnesium are Lost..(Deficiency..)

Plant matter..chlorophyll is full of...Potassium and Magnesium...

in fact..chlorophyll is often called Green Blood...

Liquid Chlorophyll

Chlorophyll is a green color pigment which is created by organisms that make photosynthesis through sunlight. It is a crucial biomolecule which allows plants to absorb energy from light. All green plants, photosynthetic active algaes and vegetables on earth get their green color from chlorophyll.
Chlorophyll is almost identical to the human blood pigment hemoglobin - the only difference is their central ion (core molecule): hemoglobin has an iron ion, chlorophyll has an magnesium ion.
Within the photosynthesis chlorophyll has as main task the absorption of light, and the subsequent transfer of electrons and absorbed energy. There are several types of chlorophyll, the most important ones are Chlorophyll a, b and c.
Benefits of Chlorophyll

Chlorophyll is the only substance on earth that transforms sunlight into edible energy. It is a concentrated form of sunlight and energy that cleans and renews our blood
and raises the quantity of blood cells tremendously

The more chlorophyll a food contains, the higher its nutritional value. Chlorophyll rich foods such as green and leafy vegetables contain huge amounts of minerals – which is why these foods are the most alkaline forming foods on earth.
Chlorophyll helps to build new blood cells, therefore keeping our blood's quality on top level. It supports the neutralization of cancer-causing substances and helps with arteriosclerosis. Above that, it enhances the healing of wounds, aids digestion, and improves our intestinal flora.
Liquid Chlorophyll

It is as easy as this: the healthier our blood is, the healthier we are! Chlorophyll rich green foods have an enormous influence on the quality of our blood (except of one ion chlorophyll is identical to hemoglobin) - which is why chlorophyll is also called "liquid green blood".
To get liquid chlorophyll, you can use a juice extractor and squeeze the "liquid blood" out of alkaline green grasses and vegetables.
Following foods contain high amounts of chlorophyll:
Alfalfa grass, Barley grass, Broccoli, Cucumber, Green peas, Green beans, Kamut grass, Kale / Green cabbage, Lemon grass, Okra / Ladyfingers, Parsley, Spinach, Watercress, Wheat grass, and Cannabis

Edible Green plant matter is composed of Potassium Salts and magnesium..which is Exactly what we are DEFICIENT IN...Ignoring the Olive Leaf Secondary Medical properties..it is at it's Heart edible green plant matter..full of magnesium and potassium..so it is Feeding our Deficiency..:tiphat:..Perfectly..

Just Thought the info might Help us evaluate the Paste Method...:thumbs: