Rebel's Mega Crop / Greenleaf Nutrients CannaZone Test Thread

[bushmasterar15]

Guess my next run will be with MC.

 

[F.N.]

Looking great Rebel. I hope megacrop is the bomb.

 

[Waira]

cruising along nicely Reb,... I'm stoked for this line-up! You know TF is the Goods , and I'm keen on seeing how she performs indoors,... GP, FV or reg'? .... NQ is top of the heavy-hitter list, so many people rave about her, including some very picky ones! -B.Lee, that brings back memories! My first auto run ever had that, and she did pretty much the best of the lot,.. interesting aromatics, some melon and dirt in there,... keen on seeing how they turn out too after all this time! I forget, who's Creme B'?

How does one determine our girls need more P when hitting mid-flower?. Asking as a layman on what to look for, structure of flower? bids sites? to determine needing more P , and if already in mid-flower , what strength?

@Padawan1972 -- that's a tricky thing to spot mate, trust me,... plants can suffer defc. issues affecting performance before any signs show on the leaves.... My experience with this was with the KindSoil test grow plants; they went fine initially, then started some minor burning pre-bloom, then right as blooming started, the P source tapped out,.. this period is (I suspect) KEY to how the flower clusters form up initially; poor P availability right then leads to less dense, full early flower building, something about how the whole structure of budding is set..? By the time I spotted it, from poor, sparse flower cluster formation (airy/open, poor bud:leaf ratio), it was almost too late,.. actual leaf symptoms showed not long after,.. I had to start blasting P as much as I dared with synthetic nutes,... bottom line, it helped with the plants further behind in blooming, but the more mature plants didn't really fix that well, and several ended up with poorer than usual bud:leaf ratio,......
So, for me, prevention is better than "cure"! When I run MC, I'm going to use Red Line along with it regardless (PK booster 1-5-4), I'll just reduce the MC amount to compensate,... so many people are grasping for the Sweet Candy, but IMO, they should be also holding RL as well, and adjusting their feeds accordingly,... we'll see mates, how other buds look running just MC,.. bud:leaf ratio should be watched closely, with an eye to that strains tendencies for this in general,... And always remember, N is taken up whether the plant needs it or not, there's no selective processing going on down there at the roots! the classic signs of too much N in bloom is guess what-- poor bud:leaf ratio!..... I predict some plants will not be their best, others will form up OK on MC alone,... But that will have to be assessed with solid knowledge of the strain and other grows of it as well.... But, consider how other PK boosters are used in other nute regimes, some with crazy-hot PK#'s, right? P values in the 40-50's, K not much less,.. I ask why would MC be an exception to this? Not that such PK boosters always needed, plenty of other things factoring in on such bud quality parameters,... But I find even dilute doses of them help kick things up a notch for production/quality,... keep in mind it's K and S that are very important for terpene production and quality, so late blooming, P should be reduced, K and S supplemented/boosted,....

 

[Padawan1972]

cruising along nicely Reb,... I'm stoked for this line-up! You know TF is the Goods , and I'm keen on seeing how she performs indoors,... GP, FV or reg'? .... NQ is top of the heavy-hitter list, so many people rave about her, including some very picky ones! -B.Lee, that brings back memories! My first auto run ever had that, and she did pretty much the best of the lot,.. interesting aromatics, some melon and dirt in there,... keen on seeing how they turn out too after all this time! I forget, who's Creme B'?




@Padawan1972 -- that's a tricky thing to spot mate, trust me,... plants can suffer defc. issues affecting performance before any signs show on the leaves.... My experience with this was with the KindSoil test grow plants; they went fine initially, then started some minor burning pre-bloom, then right as blooming started, the P source tapped out,.. this period is (I suspect) KEY to how the flower clusters form up initially; poor P availability right then leads to less dense, full early flower building, something about how the whole structure of budding is set..? By the time I spotted it, from poor, sparse flower cluster formation (airy/open, poor bud:leaf ratio), it was almost too late,.. actual leaf symptoms showed not long after,.. I had to start blasting P as much as I dared with synthetic nutes,... bottom line, it helped with the plants further behind in blooming, but the more mature plants didn't really fix that well, and several ended up with poorer than usual bud:leaf ratio,......
So, for me, prevention is better than "cure"! When I run MC, I'm going to use Red Line along with it regardless (PK booster 1-5-4), I'll just reduce the MC amount to compensate,... so many people are grasping for the Sweet Candy, but IMO, they should be also holding RL as well, and adjusting their feeds accordingly,... we'll see mates, how other buds look running just MC,.. bud:leaf ratio should be watched closely, with an eye to that strains tendencies for this in general,... And always remember, N is taken up whether the plant needs it or not, there's no selective processing going on down there at the roots! the classic signs of too much N in bloom is guess what-- poor bud:leaf ratio!..... I predict some plants will not be their best, others will form up OK on MC alone,... But that will have to be assessed with solid knowledge of the strain and other grows of it as well.... But, consider how other PK boosters are used in other nute regimes, some with crazy-hot PK#'s, right? P values in the 40-50's, K not much less,.. I ask why would MC be an exception to this? Not that such PK boosters always needed, plenty of other things factoring in on such bud quality parameters,... But I find even dilute doses of them help kick things up a notch for production/quality,... keep in mind it's K and S that are very important for terpene production and quality, so late blooming, P should be reduced, K and S supplemented/boosted,....

Thank you for that information , great stuff!

 

[Jraven]

Well I learned a couple things here already, and I do have a bag of MC. Guess I'll hang around

 

[KonopCh]

@Waira so actually AN is wrong with recommendations first pharse of flowering with BB (0-1-3) and late pharse of flowering with OD (1-5-4)? I've read that many times that you need P in first pharse and K in last one, like you said.

 

[Waira]

Konop', AN is notorious for making you have to buy many different bottles of things, in part for profit no doubt, but some things don't play well together in the same bottle, bad cross reactions,..... The feed schedule is designed around you adding a host of other things besides base nutes, all of which have their share of NPK and other nutes in them,... it is a cumulative input, and you have to look at the NPK#'s on each product, and how much is going in, and do the math yourself to figure what the final NPK#'s are by the time you feed! ... So, I don't know what AN is driving at there,.... I know their products are excellent, but the marketing disgusts me, so I pay them no heed, and won't bother trying to memorize a dozen++ different products, NPK#'s and applications,.... But yes, relatively high P initially is what I see in nearly all the other nute lines, and for other plants beside cannabis,... good amounts of K are recommended all along,... It's why I'm a bit dubious about any all-in-one fert',.. to date, I haven't seen one yet that works to excellent effect on cannabis.... but GLN is working to make that happen, so we'll see! I applaud the effort, and acknowledge how damn difficult this is....

 

[Dabber]

cruising along nicely Reb,... I'm stoked for this line-up! You know TF is the Goods , and I'm keen on seeing how she performs indoors,... GP, FV or reg'? .... NQ is top of the heavy-hitter list, so many people rave about her, including some very picky ones! -B.Lee, that brings back memories! My first auto run ever had that, and she did pretty much the best of the lot,.. interesting aromatics, some melon and dirt in there,... keen on seeing how they turn out too after all this time! I forget, who's Creme B'?




@Padawan1972 -- that's a tricky thing to spot mate, trust me,... plants can suffer defc. issues affecting performance before any signs show on the leaves.... My experience with this was with the KindSoil test grow plants; they went fine initially, then started some minor burning pre-bloom, then right as blooming started, the P source tapped out,.. this period is (I suspect) KEY to how the flower clusters form up initially; poor P availability right then leads to less dense, full early flower building, something about how the whole structure of budding is set..? By the time I spotted it, from poor, sparse flower cluster formation (airy/open, poor bud:leaf ratio), it was almost too late,.. actual leaf symptoms showed not long after,.. I had to start blasting P as much as I dared with synthetic nutes,... bottom line, it helped with the plants further behind in blooming, but the more mature plants didn't really fix that well, and several ended up with poorer than usual bud:leaf ratio,......
So, for me, prevention is better than "cure"! When I run MC, I'm going to use Red Line along with it regardless (PK booster 1-5-4), I'll just reduce the MC amount to compensate,... so many people are grasping for the Sweet Candy, but IMO, they should be also holding RL as well, and adjusting their feeds accordingly,... we'll see mates, how other buds look running just MC,.. bud:leaf ratio should be watched closely, with an eye to that strains tendencies for this in general,... And always remember, N is taken up whether the plant needs it or not, there's no selective processing going on down there at the roots! the classic signs of too much N in bloom is guess what-- poor bud:leaf ratio!..... I predict some plants will not be their best, others will form up OK on MC alone,... But that will have to be assessed with solid knowledge of the strain and other grows of it as well.... But, consider how other PK boosters are used in other nute regimes, some with crazy-hot PK#'s, right? P values in the 40-50's, K not much less,.. I ask why would MC be an exception to this? Not that such PK boosters always needed, plenty of other things factoring in on such bud quality parameters,... But I find even dilute doses of them help kick things up a notch for production/quality,... keep in mind it's K and S that are very important for terpene production and quality, so late blooming, P should be reduced, K and S supplemented/boosted,....

My next grow will be using most all the additives from GL IMO if I had to choose only 2 products it would be MC and SC they are a must have for me, SC is molasses on steroids and is very good for the roots. @Waira I added Red Line to the OGs last few feedings and noticed enough to want to use it and add BE. This stuff is super simple to use

 

[Waira]

That's what I want to hear mate, real-time tries and results! ... yeah, the SC looks great, I'll be adding that to the cart,.. beats monkeying around with goopy molasses, or making dilutions of it for easier mixing,....

 

[BII]

@Waira so actually AN is wrong with recommendations first pharse of flowering with BB (0-1-3) and late pharse of flowering with OD (1-5-4)? I've read that many times that you need P in first pharse and K in last one, like you said.

I spoke with an AN help line tech within the past year. He said with autoflowering strains, which grow faster, just forget about wimpy Bud Ignitor and even Big Bud, and go directly to OverDrive (1-5-4).

I've been using OverDrive as my all-purpose bloom booster in combination with AN Connoisseur Coco Bloom A (4-0-0) &B (1-4-5) (total = 5-4-5) from sprouting till harvest (largely following TaNg's Easy Schedule). I've being doing this for about 3 grow cycles, and I see no deficiencies or excess nute problems. Although about 10 days ago, I switched to MegaCrop (10-6-14) as base nutes. I also started several weeks ago adding low-end doses of Bloomtastic/Atami (0-14-15) to both the AN and now MegaCrop (and see no problems).

Can anyone recommend a P supplement I might want to have on-hand if needed to supplement the MegaCrop's relatively low amount of P? What are the signs/symptoms to watch for to spot P deficiency?