Real Science vs Bro Science: Ohhh some of you are NOT going to like this!

[Fitzy]

I don't think either is total bs but there is bs in both circles. How else do you explain the bs going on with the Rona?

As to flushing- IMHO, you need to remember that legal weed is being treated a whole lot stricter than any other food products. If you have to submit to testing and you use salt nutrients and no flush there is a real chance you will fail. If you use organics in pots, beds You will prolly be safe. If you plant in the ground- the soil could be contaminated from some previous use. If you have another farm close by you could get screwed because they are using a spray that's banned for weed but is ok on oranges.

If ur using any bottle nutes in large scale growing u are killing ur profit aswell as feeding incorrect amounts also things ur going to fail from are heavy metals an fungi ect not nitrogen salt isn't in the bud it's in substrate and you have probably seen all the e coli ect with the organic veggies ect that's from bad compost practices so organic isn't automatically better or worse the biggest fault our community has had is not being more investigative to see we all knew tomatoes were similar in food needs I would comfortably say 90% of the bottle nutes np one has seen used on tomatoes we of course want bigger more potent flowers and up to this point I think we have been stressing them by using crazy nute regimens ect same for some of the teas that are supposed to be so great ect are actually not as it's to diluted on top of we don't really know which ones are best ect so just really looking @ hydrangea and a few other plants look and see there nutrient needs I think you will be absolutely surprised and cannabis only differs slightly so take it for wat it's worth everyone has there way and it's like that for everything u get 5 roofers and get them telling you wats worked well for them and they would never do/use wat the other did so if ur system works that's awsome but experimenting is key to learning and getting better all around including conserving our resources and not polluting the soil we grow/consume from.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't think either is total bs but there is bs in both circles. How else do you explain the bs going on with the Rona?

As to flushing- IMHO, you need to remember that legal weed is being treated a whole lot stricter than any other food products. If you have to submit to testing and you use salt nutrients and no flush there is a real chance you will fail. If you use organics in pots, beds You will prolly be safe. If you plant in the ground- the soil could be contaminated from some previous use. If you have another farm close by you could get screwed because they are using a spray that's banned for weed but is ok on oranges.

Also if ur growing outdoors I would test soil especially if I'm selling I'm would feel horrible if someone got sick or had complications plus that opens you to lawsuits ect plus putting ur self @ risk

 

[Sour D]

I would have to respectfully disagree; every grow I've worked for has used synthetic nutrients and flushing has nothing to do with whether tests are passing or failing (I've been told by several facilities you have to work pretty hard to fail for heavy metals; but the first grow I worked at sure as shit failed for cadmium of all things, but he also chose to not run certain membranes on his RO system and the source water was incredibly sketchy with heavy metals (I know a shit ton about our local water supply out here.) First thing he did was call up Jack's Nutrients and told them their 3-part formula caused his grow to fail for cadmium, they said "bullshit, lots of grows use our nutrients in Colorado and never fail."

Not a single commercial grow could explain why they flush, other than "a consultant told us" or the best (and most plausible one) I've heard was "it saves us 2 weeks worth of not spending money on nutrients," and that's probably one of the best reasons right there.

Commercial growers are just home growers that are growing in scale. There isn't anything specifically magical about it, a lot of the same products we use at home are used in commercial growing. And a lot of the bro science from home growing is just STEEPED in the commercial side, because these are the same guys like you and me that have been piecing together scraps of info for decades trying to figure out what's what.



That's the internet brother. You will NEVER not have that way of thinking; but it's in places like this that we try to promote the civil discussion of said topics so we can try to get to a "generally agreed on" consensus. That's the beauty of a peer-based community, we get the collective knowledge of thousands of people. And when we can use science to back up that knowledge and everyone goes "ah yeah, this DOES make sense," that's how we start making changes in the way people think about things.

I stand corrected and better informed. Thanks
And some of what I said was prolly more broscience from some Cali growers pushing their "sungrown, organic" products. And some of who, because they are also pushing for appellations. "My chit don't stink"

 

[bil]

insert your summary of the podcast here

Well said, and that was a wonderful summary for everyone who hasn't heard this. i came back a day later and finished listening to the show.

I went and grabbed her "science for dummies" pdf, if any of you want to check it out it's here:
https://pubs.extension.wsu.edu/scientific-literacy-for-the-citizen-scientist

i understand this, but the collective bro knowledge gets treated like cult gospel. if any data comes about that contradicts this gospel they plug their ears and say "nah-nah-nah".

And so be it, they won't learn and will fall behind as science shines the light towards optimization.

Since this turned into more of a science vs superstition topic, I just want to state I believe in both the scientific method and the precautionary principle.

Science is our best current understanding of how things work, ad we must be open to the idea that with more information a better, more correct answer is to be found.

I think there is both good and bad broscience out there. Just because we can't fully explain how something works doesn't make it definitively wrong nor correct. It may be pointing us towards a truth, maybe not. now it's time to experiment and find out why.

 

[Sour D]

Just because we can't fully explain how something works doesn't make it definitively wrong nor correct. It may be pointing us towards a truth, maybe not. now it's time to experiment and find out why.

That also works for science. Some doctors/scientists say weed helps shrink tumors in some people but just don't know why as well as why it is selective. Hopefully they will find out soon. I'm sure there is money being spent on that research.

 

[Sour D]

Something I just remembered hearing from one of the old skool breeders is that because it was illegal, no one wrote anything down. So information was passed down by word of mouth. Like rumors, a lot of it probably got changed up from point a to point z. And like too may bosses, they probably just said "Do this" without any explanation why.

 

[derek420colorado]

Here is something that gets lost a lot with autos I think. It will be hard to do any kind of scientific method stuff because everything comes from seed. So eliminating the genetic predisposition as a variable Is almost impossible and will almost always negate a true data driven experiment imo. So it’s gonna take a big ole lab and lots of money to be able to nail down these things that are all speculation at this point to be honest.

 

[pop22]

Here's something that all will find interesting. I just read that tissue cultured autos root and grow just like seedlings. Apparently the process triggers stem cells! I have suspected that maybe this was the case. So this is how to clone autos!

https://www.growweedeasy.com/live-plant-cannabis-tissue-culture

Here is something that gets lost a lot with autos I think. It will be hard to do any kind of scientific method stuff because everything comes from seed. So eliminating the genetic predisposition as a variable Is almost impossible and will almost always negate a true data driven experiment imo. So it’s gonna take a big ole lab and lots of money to be able to nail down these things that are all speculation at this point to be honest.

 

[bil]

I was talking to nebula last week and she told em the same thing! It seems to reset the biological clock!

Now if only tissue culture was easier.

Just gotta replace the sample each time you see roots form as the clock has begun!

 

[derek420colorado]

Here's something that all will find interesting. I just read that tissue cultured autos root and grow just like seedlings. Apparently the process triggers stem cells! I have suspected that maybe this was the case. So this is how to clone autos!

https://www.growweedeasy.com/live-plant-cannabis-tissue-culture

Annnnnd this is why we keep you around pop! This is amazing!!!!!!!! Mainly because I already have everything I need to do tissue samples. Because of my mycology work so