New Grower NLxBB & White Dwarf(?) Grow Journal -- Late Start Day 45, Pics From Seed, with a TWIST...

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Hi Guys. I'm starting this journal late but that just means I saved you a month and a half of waiting :tiphat: This is my very first grow. I started one known seen that was Northern Lights x Big Bud from WOS. The second was from a 5-pack assortment of Big Buddha seeds that was said to contain a mix of White Dwarf, Red Dwarf, Deimos and/or Syrup. My best guess is that she turned out to be a White Dwarf, but please correct me if you can say for sure.

I didn't go too crazy here as it's a small first time grow. Here are my components:

EQUIPMENT
4x24" T5 fixture
3 CFL supplements
4" Vortex fan 160CFM+
4x16" Phresh scrubber
2x92mm intakes @ 60CFM each
2 small circulation fans
3# plastic pots

MEDIUM
1/4 MiracleGro Moisture Control soil
1/4 Perlite
1/4 Vermiculite
1/4 Mix of castings, sphagnum, bone meal and coco

NUTES
GH 3-Part Base
GH Diamond Nectar
GH Kool Bloom
GH RapidStart
SuperThrive


I planted the seeds directly in a 3lb plastic pot. I made a 3" diameter dent in the top of the soil, roughly 3 inches deep, filled with Jiffy Seed Starter mix. I wanted the seedling to have no nutes until its roots grew into the hot soil around it. I just watered with SuperThrive for the first week, then switched to plain water for the first three weeks while she fed off the soil. I then began using the GH nutes at 1/2 strength and up to full strength after one week.

It looks as though the Dwarf burns more easily. The NLxBB is loving every minute of her life. She looks so healthy my friend thought she was plastic. The Dwarf caught up in height but is still far behind in flowering. They both started getting their tops in order at the same time but the Dwarf took an extra two weeks to show sex.


Let me know your thoughts:


4/21/2014 -- 7 Days From Sprout
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4/26
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5/1
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5/7
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5/10
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5/14
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5/22
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5/24
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5/29
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So to quickly recap, I have an NLxBB and a White Dwarf(guessing) at day 45 from sprout.

Here's where I want to hear your thoughts and experiences...

I started at 24/0 for the first two weeks or so and then switched to 18/6 on 5/4. Both plants were growing steadily until I changed the light cycle. At this time both plants stunted for several days and then guess what I saw on 5/8...two pairs of beautiful white pistils "pher Wiggle" Followed by a healthy growth spurt.

Leading to the obvious follow-up question: Why did both girls go into flower immediately after the light cycle change if autos aren't influenced by photoperiod?

My thoughts are that since you hear growers at both ends of the spectrum regularly, it seems there is a balance between auto/photo traits, just like there is a balance between indica/sativa. Crossing a photo with Ruderalis does not mean that the photo trait disappears completely, leading to wild variations even between seeds from the same parents. These are simply my n00b observations, feel free to slap some sense into me.

Thinking back, I did feel they were going into flower over a week early but I really had no reference to go on. Now that they are developed further, I am more convinced of this. I wound up having to cut off 3 bottom stems on the Dwarf that would not even show pistils yet. I thought it was pointless to keep these as they would just suck energy and not produce. The fans for these stems already started to dry up and I was able to pick them off with just a gentle tug. I did some light lower fan trimming on the NLxBB at 3 weeks old and she seemed to really like it. I also tipped the fans that I left on. I've left the Dwarf's leaves alone until now.

Much of this is just me doing what I feel is right and hoping for the best...this is my first grow after all, and there's only so much you can learn from reading journals and guides.

In hindsight, I think they (mostly the Dwarf) would have done better had I not flipped the lights early and confused them. The NLxBB probably would have added at least a couple more inches, but I'm glad she didn't take over the cabinet. I have 4 more NLxBB seeds and I plan on growing them two different ways. Two will grow at 24/0, flipping to 18/6 after 30 days. The other two will grow at 18/6 from seed. But that's down the road.

The Dwarf stayed about 1.5" behind the NLxBB until the last 3 days where the NLxBB stopped her stretch and the Dwarf caught up. They are both 21" today. I'll keep you all posted :peace:
 
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I just hacked off 3 underdeveloped branches from the White Dwarf, along with 6 bottom fans that weren't looking so hot. She got a bit lanky toward the end of her stretch but they both seem to have leveled out at 21" a few days back and haven't grown in height since. How much added height should I expect from flowering?
 
Today the NLxBB had a nice sugar coating that wasn't there yesterday :D

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...How much added height should I expect from flowering?

Technically speaking, I think the end of veg is highlighted by a ceasing of vertical growth, so the only vert you should experience after that is growth in size of the main cola.

As to your question about it going into flowering coinciding with the light cycle change...I don't think it did...from what I've been told there is "pre-flowering" where the plant identifies it's sex and actual flowering afterwards....
 
I guess I tend to hastily consider the presence of pre-flowers as flowering. It's probably more accurate to consider flowering to begin when the plant shows her pistils. This is the literal turning point where the plant becomes able to be fertilized, and thus is now "flowering" to try and do so. I know there are differences in opinion here, but as long as we are consistent it should all work out :)

Both plants started growing white hairs at the top of the main at the same time -- one week after I flipped to 18/6. They were stunted during that week and then resumed growth, so I assumed the stunt was end of veg and the new growth to be the stretch. I considered those white hairs to be flowering, but there were no classic calyx with the 2 white hairs on lower buds yet. Those appeared on the NLxBB at day 21 and on the WD around day 30. The WD has been slower but then has growth spurts. Even today her hair length caught up to her sister a lot more.

From what I hear NLxBB is a slow finisher as she fattens up so much, sometimes 100+ days. I'm hoping not but am ready to go another month easily. I'll let you guys help me out knowing when to flush and chop, thank you very much :D
 
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I flushed the girls yesterday because they were overdue and today some of the upper leaves on the NLxBB curled their tips down. Looking good otherwise. Sorry the pics aren't in any kind of order as I'm doing this on my phone. There's a pic in there of some weird three pronged leaf with one tip inverted in the WD..I'll get a better pic next time. There's a shot of the cabinet so you can see the full setup. I'll post more specs later.

Can it hurt to add cl/mg supplement at this point? They're not showing any kind of deficiencies but I'm just not sure if I should try and head off any problems as I often hear of deficiencies during flower.
 
a lil' Cal/Mag every day, keeps the defs away :) my 2 cents....someone may know better.....:)
 
a lil' Cal/Mag every day, keeps the defs away :)

Love it. Yeh a pictures worth a thousand words. Had this in my hand when I read this. Its hard to overdo calcium and magnesium too. Make sure your ph is high enough to absorb it too eh... EH. Sorry my native tongue coming out :p

Sick looking sensimilla man, thatll fatten up ALOT. Lol. Enjoy! :peace:

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