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Im considering making some seeds and I’ve got some questions I’m hoping y’all can answer....

I have a plant that, despite a bunch of screw-ups on my part and issues, has really turned out great and that I’d like to grow again in the future. She’s almost finished but I did take a couple clones of her back in veg that I have growing - currently about 16” tall and well rooted. The original seeds came from a smaller breeder that I really like but he doesn’t offer this strain in feminized seeds, which I prefer. The strain is a Blueberry OG Wreck x Headband and is an F2. So, I’m wondering about using either CS or STS on one clone and then putting it in with the other clone as she begins to flower? Basically, get the one to the point of almost chucking pollen and then flipping the other plant to flower - in their own 2x4 tent.

Question 1: This should give me a feminized seed that produces plants pretty similar to the mother plant. Correct? I know they won’t be the same as a clone but at least I won’t have to start multiple seeds to find a female.

Question 2: Are there any potential issues that I should be aware of since I’d be using these clones as both the source of the pollen as well as the female to growvtge seeds?

Question 3: Would you recommend I start my journey into fem seeds with STS or CS? Seems like, from the reading I’ve done, that STS is a little better and a little easier? Anyone have a source for buying premise STS for making fem seeds or is anyone familiar with this STS solution from FemSeedz: http://femseedz.weebly.com/feminized-seed-blog/category/sts solution

Thank to anyone that replies!

@Kya Knight @Archaic @DABaracuss @bushmasterar15
 
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Im considering making some seeds and I’ve got some questions I’m hoping y’all can answer....

I have a plant that, despite a bunch of screw-ups on my part and issues, has really turned out great and that I’d like to grow again in the future. She’s almost finished but I did take a couple clones of her back in veg that I have growing - currently about 16” tall and well rooted. The original seeds came from a smaller breeder that I really like but he doesn’t offer this strain in feminized seeds, which I prefer. The strain is a Blueberry OG Wreck x Headband and is an F2. So, I’m wondering about using either CS or STS on one clone and then putting it in with the other clone as she begins to flower? Basically, get the one to the point of almost chucking pollen and then flipping the other plant to flower - in their own 2x4 tent.

Question 1: This should give me a feminized seed that produces plants pretty similar to the mother plant. Correct? I know they won’t be the same as a clone but at least I won’t have to start multiple seeds to find a female.

Question 2: Are there any potential issues that I should be aware of since I’d be using these clones as both the source of the pollen as well as the female to growvtge seeds?

Question 3: Would you recommend I start my journey into fem seeds with STS or CS? Seems like, from the reading I’ve done, that STS is a little better and a little easier? Anyone have a source for buying premise STS for making fem seeds or is anyone familiar with this STS solution from FemSeedz: http://femseedz.weebly.com/feminized-seed-blog/category/sts solution

Thank to anyone that replies!

@Kya Knight @Archaic @DABaracuss @bushmasterar15
1.) Yes they will be feminized, but will have their own pheno expression and could be as different as any seed from that strain.

2.) The only issue I might see is it would be just a tad bit better if the clones came from two different mothers but not necessary. Of course any seeds that might form on the reversed plant will be S1s and please don’t smoke the reversed plant as either chemical gets into the plant and travels through it regardless of where you sprayed it.

3.) I don’t use STS, mainly because I started with CS and have plenty. You most likely will not find it premixed as it becomes unstable as soon as you do mix and the shelf life timer starts. My wording might be incorrect but I’m sure you get the idea. Also I believe there are some handling issues with STS.
Wear gloves while mixing and using these chemicals, and mix and use in a properly ventilated area. A mask will prevent the breathing of any dust, which is caustic. STS is colorless and odorless, and poses minimal health risks if used as described here.

Silver nitrate is a white crystalline light-sensitive chemical that is commonly used in photography. It is also used in babies' eyes at birth to prevent blindness. It can cause mild skin irritation, and it stains brown. Avoid breathing. I didn't notice any smell or fumes, but ventilation is recommended. Be sure to wash the spray bottle well before you use it elsewhere; better yet: devote a bottle to STS use.

When they say it stains, they mean it STAINS! :crying:
 
1.) Yes they will be feminized, but will have their own pheno expression and could be as different as any seed from that strain.

2.) The only issue I might see is it would be just a tad bit better if the clones came from two different mothers but not necessary. Of course any seeds that might form on the reversed plant will be S1s and please don’t smoke the reversed plant as either chemical gets into the plant and travels through it regardless of where you sprayed it.

3.) I don’t use STS, mainly because I started with CS and have plenty. You most likely will not find it premixed as it becomes unstable as soon as you do mix and the shelf life timer starts. My wording might be incorrect but I’m sure you get the idea. Also I believe there are some handling issues with STS.


When they say it stains, they mean it STAINS! :crying:

Thanks @HemiSync!! Could you explain why doing this with a different mother Would be better? I have always had a lot of trouble grasping the nuances of genetics. It’s probably my dyslexia flaring up. My thought was that by using 2 clones of the same mother, I would have far LESS chemotypical variance. No? Is there any advantage to using one clone for pollen and the other as the mother; or am I just as good gathering pollen off a few branches and letting it pollenate the other, untreated branches?

Maybe I ought to just keep a clone for now. Lol!
 
Thanks @HemiSync!! Could you explain why doing this with a different mother Would be better? I have always had a lot of trouble grasping the nuances of genetics. It’s probably my dyslexia flaring up. My thought was that by using 2 clones of the same mother, I would have far LESS chemotypical variance. No? Is there any advantage to using one clone for pollen and the other as the mother; or am I just as good gathering pollen off a few branches and letting it pollenate the other, untreated branches?

Maybe I ought to just keep a clone for now. Lol!
Believe me, I’m no expert in this stuff and have no idea what chemotypical variance means.

As far as different mothers go, as I said it’s not necessary to have clones from different mothers but it does help with genetic diversity & stabilization, hence would strengthen the gene pool. If you only have the one mother, than you have no choice. If you can try to avoid selfing a plant with itself. I’m not sure, but taking a clone, reversing it, and pollinating a clone from the same mother might still be considered selfing itself. Most definitely reversing part of a female to pollinate itself is selfing.

Normally, if you want to isolate phenotypes you would clone your mother 30+ times and kill off all the clones that are not expressing the way you like. Then cross with a male that has similar phenotypes and you should have great regular seed. Only once you have the phenotypes stabilized after 3 or more generations do you then consider reversing one to feminize the next generation.
Great read on the subject is “Marijuana Botany" by Robert Connell Clarke.
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Of course, if your goal basically is just to create some more seed, then go chuck some pollen and enjoy your beans.
 
Believe me, I’m no expert in this stuff and have no idea what chemotypical variance means.

As far as different mothers go, as I said it’s not necessary to have clones from different mothers but it does help with genetic diversity & stabilization, hence would strengthen the gene pool. If you only have the one mother, than you have no choice. If you can try to avoid selfing a plant with itself. I’m not sure, but taking a clone, reversing it, and pollinating a clone from the same mother might still be considered selfing itself. Most definitely reversing part of a female to pollinate itself is selfing.

Normally, if you want to isolate phenotypes you would clone your mother 30+ times and kill off all the clones that are not expressing the way you like. Then cross with a male that has similar phenotypes and you should have great regular seed. Only once you have the phenotypes stabilized after 3 or more generations do you then consider reversing one to feminize the next generation.
Great read on the subject is “Marijuana Botany" by Robert Connell Clarke.
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Of course, if your goal basically is just to create some more seed, then go chuck some pollen and enjoy your beans.

Thanks man! I’ll check out Robert Clarke’s article. So, “chemotype”.....I’ve been hearing that “chemotype” is actually the proper term rather than “phenotype.” Why? I have NO clue. Lol! But I’ve been hearing some very informed people using it on some of the podcasts I listen to. If I had said “phenotypical variance” I’ll bet you’d have understood what I meant.

I’d really prefer a feminized seed due to space concerns when I’m inside. Sometimes I want to run 3-5 strains at one time and planting enough beans to insure I get females of each takes too much space. So, I tend to like feminized seeds.

I guess where I get hung up understanding all this is that if I want to produce a seed that’s most like a particular plant, why would I want to introduce “more genetic diversity?” I understand wanting diversity if I were going on a hunt for something new but if I just want some beans that’ll produce something similar to this particular plant, wouldn’t a lack of diversity be more likely to produce a seed that mimics the original genetics?

You can tell me to JUST READ THE ARTICLE DUMBA$$! at this point, if you want to. Lmao!
 
Thanks man! I’ll check out Robert Clarke’s article. So, “chemotype”.....I’ve been hearing that “chemotype” is actually the proper term rather than “phenotype.” Why? I have NO clue. Lol! But I’ve been hearing some very informed people using it on some of the podcasts I listen to. If I had said “phenotypical variance” I’ll bet you’d have understood what I meant.

I’d really prefer a feminized seed due to space concerns when I’m inside. Sometimes I want to run 3-5 strains at one time and planting enough beans to insure I get females of each takes too much space. So, I tend to like feminized seeds.

I guess where I get hung up understanding all this is that if I want to produce a seed that’s most like a particular plant, why would I want to introduce “more genetic diversity?” I understand wanting diversity if I were going on a hunt for something new but if I just want some beans that’ll produce something similar to this particular plant, wouldn’t a lack of diversity be more likely to produce a seed that mimics the original genetics?

You can tell me to JUST READ THE ARTICLE DUMBA$$! at this point, if you want to. Lmao!
As I said, if you just want to create some seed, chuck some pollen and be done with it. I was explaining what breeders do to isolate phenotypes and how to make those phenotypes express more often. Genetic diversity is only needed if you are going to breed successive generations. I will let you do your own homework on If you ever decide to go that way.
 
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