cheers muddy and thanks for stopping by.. i might just let it go longer.. ive noticed that in the last week there is a very slight yellowing comming into the leaves, and it just so happens that i gave all three a good flush just yesterday, plain ph'd water.. maybe another plain watering and cut then!! i need to start getting photos transplanted into there final pots. so i geuss ive something to keep me busy.. by any chance have you ever used plagron batmix?