Indoor Mephisto/ my crosses

[Fitzy]

@Qbgrower this is the main thread I post in check it out this is the blue dream indica leaning pheno in a 2gal and then a few pics of the sativa leaning blue dream pheno in a 1gal pot

 

[Fitzy]

Hey, I'm also working on a little breeding project that includes crossing photos to autos. No matter if you use a male or female as your auto, none of the F1s will be autoflowering (assuming the photo has never been crossed to an auto). If you cross a male and female from this F1 generation to create an F2 generation, 25% of the offspring will be autos, half of which will be males and half females. If you crossed an F1 individual to an auto, then 50% of those offspring would be autos! In theory the F1s should be pretty homogenous and there will be more phenos in the F2 generation, but that assumes that both parents are pure breeding which is probably a stretch.

Great looking plants on this thread!

That's not always true as shown in this thread I've shown that you can and will find full autos in f1 the other thing most don't realize is taking 2 f4 plants and crossing them isn't a true f1 a true f1 is taking a landrace say from Mexico and crossing to a Asian sativa the resulting cross will be a true f1 with hybrid vigor which is wats funny about how seeds are labeled if you look @ any other crop cannabis is labeled different even though there isn't a difference. I thought wat you said until I proved myself wrong aswell as continued that specific f1 with a auto reg cross and all have been auto in this instance def learning new things.

 

[Qbgrower]

Cheers @Fitzy Those are impressive. I'll have a good look through your thread when I get time this week. Can you tell me where your experimenting with bottom feeding is?!

Cheers
Qb

 

[Fitzy]

Cheers @Fitzy Those are impressive. I'll have a good look through your thread when I get time this week. Can you tell me where your experimenting with bottom feeding is?!

Cheers
Qb

Here is some pics but I top dress and use maybe 30oz of water on 2 or 3 plants so to keep top moist but I use these trays to do 90% of watering but I imagine it would work in bottom may have to give that a try the white stuff is Damascus earth to address the stupid nats coming back

 

[Geneiac]

@Fitzy Goddang your tent's goin off right now!

Also, I think were on the same page with the F1 hybrids. Not every cross between inbred lines will result in a crazy amount of hybrid vigor and if the parents are very distantly related like your Mexico/Asia landrace cross example then its more likely. I just meant the offspring of the inbred lines would be pretty homogeneous, not necessarily more vigorous. I'm surprised to hear that you got F1s that were fully auto because everything I've read seems to indicate that the autoflower trait is controlled by a single recessive gene. I wonder if the photoperiod plant that you crossed to your auto was heterozygous for the autoflowering trait? Either way, though it sounds like you got to a fully auto population which I assume was the plan so right on

 

[Fitzy]

@Fitzy Goddang your tent's goin off right now!

Also, I think were on the same page with the F1 hybrids. Not every cross between inbred lines will result in a crazy amount of hybrid vigor and if the parents are very distantly related like your Mexico/Asia landrace cross example then its more likely. I just meant the offspring of the inbred lines would be pretty homogeneous, not necessarily more vigorous. I'm surprised to hear that you got F1s that were fully auto because everything I've read seems to indicate that the autoflower trait is controlled by a single recessive gene. I wonder if the photoperiod plant that you crossed to your auto was heterozygous for the autoflowering trait? Either way, though it sounds like you got to a fully auto population which I assume was the plan so right on

Yes sir that was the plan and I learned recently that there are a handful of landrace photo plants that can an will flower and veg @ 18/6 I actually ran a strain 4 times with same results this occurs in nature as some landrace are exposed to a constant 12/12 or close to that I was told they are quasi day neutral and occur in a narrow band around the world I think this trait is wat helped but I've had full quoting f1s in 2 crosses so far now I will say I don't know how many would be like that % wise but both were found in 1 of 4 seeds planted all photo plants were fast finishers and the 1 female from each strain was auto. I honestly don't think we know half of wat there is to know about cannabis which im glad to see changing most likely it's even less than half another thing I've learned never ever underestimate nature it does wat it wants and we are along for the ride lol. I love trying things that arnt supposed to work organic no till in 1gal pots or like dry amendments and coco which does work fine even in a super soil style grow with mushrooms growing out from it and all even though it's been said it can't hold life like that ect which that plant took 2nd or 3rd in the 2019 dinafem grower of the year and 1 of my favorite grows bc of wat it represented but ya man cannabis is a cool and unique plant that is constantly changing into something even better can't wait to see wat else it's got in store for us!

 

[Geneiac]

Yes sir that was the plan and I learned recently that there are a handful of landrace photo plants that can an will flower and veg @ 18/6 I actually ran a strain 4 times with same results this occurs in nature as some landrace are exposed to a constant 12/12 or close to that I was told they are quasi day neutral and occur in a narrow band around the world I think this trait is wat helped but I've had full quoting f1s in 2 crosses so far now I will say I don't know how many would be like that % wise but both were found in 1 of 4 seeds planted all photo plants were fast finishers and the 1 female from each strain was auto. I honestly don't think we know half of wat there is to know about cannabis which im glad to see changing most likely it's even less than half another thing I've learned never ever underestimate nature it does wat it wants and we are along for the ride lol. I love trying things that arnt supposed to work organic no till in 1gal pots or like dry amendments and coco which does work fine even in a super soil style grow with mushrooms growing out from it and all even though it's been said it can't hold life like that ect which that plant took 2nd or 3rd in the 2019 dinafem grower of the year and 1 of my favorite grows bc of wat it represented but ya man cannabis is a cool and unique plant that is constantly changing into something even better can't wait to see wat else it's got in store for us!

Super cool stuff man! Impossible is nothing...just picture that tree you've seen growing straight off of a cliff face..we've all seen one..so why shouldn't coco and dry amendments work...just because it didn't fit with someone's opinion of how things should be done? I don't think so! That's an interesting point you make with the quasi day neutral plants. So you're saying these plants won't flower at 24/0 but will at 18/6? That's cool. I feel like yeah it comes down to these plants want to flower...they need to flower...and I'm sure there are many different genetic/molecular mechanisms that could cause a cannabis plant to flower even with more than 12 hours of light. The recessive gene described by most people is just one example but a very well known and widespread one given that most autoflowers can probably be traced back to the same lineage (but there are probably exceptions). From my understanding Lowryder was the first widely available auto so I'd imagine most people that were breeding autos 20 years ago were introgressing the autoflowering gene from lowryder into their favorite photo strains. Big ups to those folks cause they made autos what they are today despite everyone doubting their vision...I'm sure alot of them are on this site too so f**k yeah AFN!

 

[rusty shanty☆]

Yes sir that was the plan and I learned recently that there are a handful of landrace photo plants that can an will flower and veg @ 18/6 I actually ran a strain 4 times with same results this occurs in nature as some landrace are exposed to a constant 12/12 or close to that I was told they are quasi day neutral and occur in a narrow band around the world I think this trait is wat helped but I've had full quoting f1s in 2 crosses so far now I will say I don't know how many would be like that % wise but both were found in 1 of 4 seeds planted all photo plants were fast finishers and the 1 female from each strain was auto. I honestly don't think we know half of wat there is to know about cannabis which im glad to see changing most likely it's even less than half another thing I've learned never ever underestimate nature it does wat it wants and we are along for the ride lol. I love trying things that arnt supposed to work organic no till in 1gal pots or like dry amendments and coco which does work fine even in a super soil style grow with mushrooms growing out from it and all even though it's been said it can't hold life like that ect which that plant took 2nd or 3rd in the 2019 dinafem grower of the year and 1 of my favorite grows bc of wat it represented but ya man cannabis is a cool and unique plant that is constantly changing into something even better can't wait to see wat else it's got in store for us!

18/6 is that a equatorial sativa?

 

[Qbgrower]

Here is some pics but I top dress and use maybe 30oz of water on 2 or 3 plants so to keep top moist but I use these trays to do 90% of watering but I imagine it would work in bottom may have to give that a try the white stuff is Damascus earth to address the stupid nats coming back View attachment 1251764

Cheers @Fitzy

Could maybe put something on the top of the soil to stop it drying too quickly? Pebbles? Straw? Black plastic? I don't know, just throwing some ideas about my head for when I get started again.

December can't come soon enough.

Qb

 

[Fitzy]

Cheers @Fitzy

Could maybe put something on the top of the soil to stop it drying too quickly? Pebbles? Straw? Black plastic? I don't know, just throwing some ideas about my head for when I get started again.

December can't come soon enough.

Qb

Straw and or quarter sized wood chips is best the plastic or fabric used in most gardens kill alot of the benificals by limiting the o2/co2 exchanges ect within the soil the first 4inches of soil has the most life also I top water to leach the dry amendments into soil not any other reson but I've not yet tried all I want to the next few that are in line are going to be tested a bit different by putting the dry amendments into the try and then add water just like the top dressing but reverse. So we will see wat goes down