male female selection on new auto strain

[S!N!STER]

hi all,

i have a question about what is best to chose male or female on two strains of wich one is auto and other isnt and i want to cross te regular and the auto to make a auto strain with characteristics of the regular strain

example:

i have a lowryder 2 and a regular white widow and would wanna make an auto white widow

should i be using the pollen of the auto and the female white widow or polinate the lowryder 2 with the WW pollen

what is best if i want to keep the auto part of the lowryder but the bud type from the WW
or doesnt it matter and in both cases you have same chance to find pheno types with those two characteristics??


hope you understand what i mean and can tell me if there is a differrence in it or not and ifso what is best


greets belial

 

[dingo]

Good question. Smell & effect in my experience is influenced by the male, where appearance is dominated by the female. Best to make lots of seeds and grow them all, culling all you to do not like in appearance.
The effect will be tested at harvest. Also try to sample smoke the males for best effect before deciding the pollen donor.

 

[S!N!STER]

Good question. Smell & effect in my experience is influenced by the male, where appearance is dominated by the female. Best to make lots of seeds and grow them all, culling all you to do not like in appearance.
The effect will be tested at harvest. Also try to sample smoke the males for best effect before deciding the pollen donor.

thanks for your reply but what im really after is if there is a differrence in using the autopollen or the regularpollen. would one of both give more or less chance for autos or potencial?

 

[MisterHarpy]

Hmmm that's a good question, basically what your asking is which has more chance of the offspring to be auto offspring. (Photo female x auto male) or (auto female x photo male) would also love to know the answer

 

[S!N!STER]

Hmmm that's a good question, basically what your asking is which has more chance of the offspring to be auto offspring. (Photo female x auto male) or (auto female x photo male) would also love to know the answer

your right dedere.. i have no experience in growing/breeding autos so when i duscussed it with a fellow grower here he asked me that question and said i didnt know but ever since it has kept me questioning if it would make a differrence... hope someone has some experience with it and can tell us if there is a differrence and what would be best if so

 

[gbd]

I asked Mitch from Mephisto Genetics about this very topic (photo pollen on femal auto/auto pollen on female photo) and in a simplified nutshell he said that it doesn't really make any difference. Pick the traits you are looking to pass on and breed with those. By the time you work a non auto to auto you will have worked through four generations of selecting for the traits you want passed on. Then end result will give you no inclination as to whether the photo parent was a male or female, or whether the auto parent was a male or female. That's what I got from it at least.

As long as one of the parents is an autoflower than the genetic trait will be passed along to the offspring. They won't show up in the first generation, but the second generation should have 25% autoflowers for you to select and breed together to create more autoflowering seeds. From those you can pick and choose what you like to further stabilize the more specific traits you're after.

If I'm off on any of this someone should chime in.

 

[puffman420]

Since this cross has been done by multiple seedbanks I honestly think it would be easier and more cost and time effective to buy all the different WW autos on the market and grow a few out of each until you find the one that best resembles the photoperiod WW you are trying to replicate.

Then use CS and reverse the autofem you find to be the most suitable candidate and pollinate the female of the same autoline to get auto ww seeds in one breeding as opposed to going through multiple breeding and pollination attempts to get a stable auto flowering variety.


goodluck and enjoy

 

[gbd]

I had trouble with a few reversed fems. None of them would drop pollen! They were all fully reversed but I couldn't find a single grain! They seem to have seeded themselves but that wasn't my goal. I've been told that sometimes manual extraction of pollen is required so if you go the reversal route be aware of that. I had not read that in any of the colloidal silver threads and it's a helpful bit of information to know. If I hadn't found a youtube video about it I would still be twiddling my thumbs and waiting for the pollen to fall naturally.

If you actually are using a white widow and are set on following it through to full auto I would suggest using a photo period white widow male and an autoflower white widow female. I've heard good things through the grapevine about Dinafem's White Widow XXL.

Start a thread if you work on this project. It's always cool to see how things evolve!

:Sharing One:

 

[puffman420]

GBD great point, I forgot to mention that, I have also noticed a lack of pollen in reversed plants compared to a genuine male, its as if they drop pollen but 80% less which is why i dont reverse single branches but entire plants.

If you can definatly start with male and female.

 

[S!N!STER]

many thanks for the replies guys,

as i get it it doesnt make any diferrence whether the auto or photo is male or female when crossing a strain.. thats a good thing cause that means i only need one of the two species have male so wouldnt matter wich one it is making the odds of a good male bigger for me...

only one question leaves me here that is about the 2nd generation..
-would i have to select 2 plants from the seeds from first run or is it better to use another male (prefferably the auto) to do polination for 2nd generation, or would that dominize the trait i wanted from the regular strain too much?

@puffman: the WW was just an example im not actualy trying to make ww auto, as you stated it is allready available but just used it cause its known
i was planning on my own regular strain but unfortunatly the only seeds i had left were probably to old and not stored well all the time and none germed anymore so lost that strain for good wich is shame cause it was a homemade strain with good yield and excellent smoke (was a cross with PP and other i dont remember wich) but i allready had low hopes as the seeds were aproximately 13yrs old

am still in doubt what strain to use .. i do know what breeder i will get seeds from though. it will be rare dankness even though i have read they dont have good costumer support, they do have excellent strains and would love to see an auto of that in my backyard in a few years