Indoor Magic Prototypes

[FullDuplex]

I'm all about providing genetics you can't find else where. Smells, flavors the whole shabang. To me singling out a single pheno limits the ability of the breeder, so I go into a cross with some intention but no expectations. I only breed the best plants forward

Now this is an interesting concept. I have a question about it though, if you want to deliver smells, flavors, or any other trait how can you guarantee it if your not isolating a specific pheno? If you continue to just breed out and out rather than isolate your primary traits your product will not always have the desired traits? So you cant really say that every plant that comes from that line will have the said smells or flavors with out bringing it down to a specific pheno?

Does it really limit the ability of the breeder, or does it show the patience and dedication to actually deliver a solid product?

 

[Magic]

Now this is an interesting concept. I have a question about it though, if you want to deliver smells, flavors, or any other trait how can you guarantee it if your not isolating a specific pheno? If you continue to just breed out and out rather than isolate your primary traits your product will not always have the desired traits? So you cant really say that every plant that comes from that line will have the said smells or flavors with out bringing it down to a specific pheno?

Does it really limit the ability of the breeder, or does it show the patience and dedication to actually deliver a solid product?

Your talking about phenotype, which I think most people don't get its environmental, the most stable strain there is will grow different all over the world specially if you grow from seed, even clones can change phenotype when sent to a new environment. The goal is to stabilize genotype by only breeding the best plants forward. The smells and flavors will come with the workings of the strain, if something turns out with a generic flavor ill start over or dump it. Only the most unique make it. Yes there is stabilizing going on but not for a specific pheno type yes i do feel like it limits breeders to select one trait and isolate it. Is it breeding of course it is, but I haven't found 1 strain that grows exactly the same everywhere it goes so how "important" is a pheno type when breeding really?

 

[Magic]

Spoilers alert!!!!!
To all upcoming breeders search genotype vs phenotype.

Phenotype can not be inherited by offspring. The genes available create phenotype so no matter what u CANNOT stabilize one pheno, U may in your environment but as soon as it leaves the confines of your grow it will change no matter what

 

[FullDuplex]

Correct i was speaking about phenotype, and at the end of the day the genotype is what we are looking to lock down, but the pheno is the expression of the plants traits. So if you are not looking for that in a specific route in breeding you are missing the ability to express the traits that you desire. The Smells, the colors, the resin production are all sets of the plant genetic make up. The only time that we get to see them is if the plant expresses them, and to do that you need matching parents of the same pheno to actually get them to repeat the expression, its the whole point of IBL. When you are breeding you have no idea of the actual genotype unless you have the ability to map the DNA from the plant. They only way that you are going to be able to reproduce the desired traits is to use the pheno that expresses it the most.

The whole Phenotype *cannot* be inherited by offspring is almost correct, all they are saying there is that you cannot simply determine the genotype based on the physical appearance of the plant. There is more genetic code there than what the eye can see, such as recessive traits or even other dominate traits.

Take Mosssys Black Dragon, she was rolling based on phenotype of the plant, the appearance that the plant expressed the most, using that as her guide she was able to bring that trait into dominance, therefor future generations expressing the same things.

 

[Magic]

Not trying to get into a shooting match just letting people know a single pheno type means nothing to me when breeding. I only use the best most vigorous to move forward with and I believe it will only give the people the best genetic expressions no matter how many.

 

[trailanimal]

Good discussion guys. Us growers like stability and surprises, fickle and gweedy stoners

 

[tobe]

@Magic
At first sorry i dont want to hijack this thread for a discussion like this. Its prototype thread.
I know the different between pheno and genotyp.
Every breeder use a other way he work and its interesting how other people work. You do a good job.
In my projects i go different ways depending on the strains i work with.
If i start a project i do a research what potential a strain has, i write down all the facts to the strain i can find (parents, taste,high, structure ) then i grow out ten seeds to see how the strain develope and how much phenos i got. Then i set me a personal goal what the strain have to be.
If all is done i start the project and try to breed in the way i want.

A other part is if i work with landraces to get them on stock there i dont select plants, i pollinate a group of girls.

Ps sorry for the hijack again, i think a mod have to splitt your thread because there are much people who have interest in discussions like this.

cu tobe

 

[trailanimal]

I like variability as long as it isn't headed down a recessive hole. I grow many plants at a time so I'm not locked into expectations about a particular plant. As long as good smoke is delivered I'm happy. I think a grower who can only grow a small number of plants will and should be concerned about uniformity.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

Is this forum active anymore? No created new threads in quite awhile and very little activity. @Magic if you're leaving the site, please let us know and we'll archive this, we're doing some spring cleaning. Appreciated brother!

 

[Magic]

Yea this place is still active, no created posted in a while but there are posts almost every day check the dates of posts I just updated a new strain and said more on way. Why would I leave site?

Is this forum active anymore? No created new threads in quite awhile and very little activity. @Magic if you're leaving the site, please let us know and we'll archive this, we're doing some spring cleaning. Appreciated brother!