Hot Shot No Pest Strip ...

Just a footnote, the half-life of any given substance is not a good yardstick for determining residual contamination. :dunno: Just my 2 cents...

While that may most certainly be true, possibly you could expain this article. They used a spray form not just a gas and concluded: "The methods used for extraction, clean-up and estimation of residues were found to be satisfactory qualitatively as well as quantitatively. The residues of both the insecticides reached below the maximum residue limit after 1 day of spray at the tested doses. Hence, a safe waiting period of one day is suggested before consumption of cauliflower curds."
According to this, its my understanding that any residual contamination left should not be harmful. And this was using dichlorvos in a liquid spray form.


Other facts that can be found here.

It evaporates easily into the air, where it is broken down into less harmful chemicals.
It will dissolve in water, where microorganisms can break it down.
It takes about 24–36 hours for half of the chemical to be broken down in water.
Dichlorvos does not appear to accumulate in plants, fish, or animals.
It has been found on some fruits, vegetables, and grain, but washing and processing destroys the dichlorvos.

This product also uses a slow-release gas that should not form a film or residue on your plant. The plant "breathes" it in and then releases it back into the air. This is not a fogger or spray. It is NOT the same thing as just spraying Raid on your plants. And if you are worried about residual contamination, you have the option of washing your plants and/or a doing a water cure on the finished product.

In addition, this study in 2008 concluded:
We find little evidence of an association between cumulative lifetime use of DDVP and risk of any cancer at this stage of follow up of the AHS.
And this studied the use of the liquid form which is much stronger than what's in the pest strips for home use.

Also, the directions on the package state that you can be in the same room with these things for up to 4 hours a day safely. Any studies that have shown cancer or suggested that it causes cancer is from repeated and long exposure to high doses of the chemical. IMHO, if used CORRECTLY, anything that would be left on the final product would be insignificant and relatively harmless. At worst, its not any more dangerous to your health than than the toxins released during combustion if you smoke your meds.

I could go on, but will conclude and remind everyone that this IS a toxin. And at high levels, is probably not good for you (as are many things at high levels). I would never use this as preventative maintenance or for an entire grow. But used correctly, for a one shot nuke, this is a cheap and highly effective way to get rid of spider mites. On the other hand, I completely understand why someone would want to avoid this product, or any pesticide, entirely.

I'm by no means an expert, and if someone could point to studies that prove otherwise, I encourage you to do so for the saftey of us all.

"My 2 cents"

For further reading and discussion, this thread has just about every view represented on this topic found here.
 
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That sounds like a good article vapeo, but I've had first hand experience with chemical pesticides working for an extermination company and know how bad these chems fuck people up. All the chems the guys at the company used were determined to be non-hazardous when used in the correct way, which they always did. These guys were all falling apart from failure to thrive and weird conditions. I watched healthy guys go bad in a matter of a few months with skin sagging, internal ulcers, intestinal bleeding, hair falling out and fingernails and skin going wonky. Oh yeah, they were in their thirties and twenties, not aging.

I RAN from that job, and never looked back. It has come out time and time again that chemicals that are supposed to be okay to use are toxic and kill. My mother's generation danced in DDT clouds, remember that?

I always err on the side of caution with this chemical crap. Right now I'm dealing with spider mites thanks to a plantsitter that doesn't know shit about plants. Not her fault, she did her best. The point is I'm using azamax to fight them organically until the grow is over, then I'm just bleaching the room and giving it a month to sit. I'd rather take a month off and use expensive organics than expose myself to bonified toxic chemicals. It's not a question of if they are highly toxic or not, that has been determined. Interpret that any way you want, it's your health. but try not to sell that crap to people if you can.
 
As I've said before, I'm not necessarily "recommending" this product. I'm just trying to post the information for those to read, evaluate and then make their own decision on whether or not its worth the risk.

I completely understand your view, and why you would choose to avoid. My recommendation would be to try and fight these pests with organic or "safer" products first. Preventative maintenance (cleanliness, neem oil etc.) also goes a long way.

But in my case, expensive remedies weren't really an option and I also didn't want to wait weeks to recieve a different product. I wanted these nasty critters gone immediately!! I took a calculated risk and chose this route, although it may not be right for everyone. Hopefully, I never run into them again. I got them I believe from bringing outdoor plants into my cab due to security reasons. :no:

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Chester, Please delete data on your messages. :stoneslap: It's full and we cannot send or reply to you. :coffee2:
 
Vibe alert folks! As I know this topic can get a bit "sticky" with varying degrees of opinions... I personally have used these almost for all my grows at point or the other... Personally I've noted no ill side effects... Though I have read the label and the MDS I've taken the calculated risk and will risk the potential side effects vs it's insurance of killing them nasties!
I will agree they are poisonus and ultimately who knows what the long term effects could be... Though I have a pretty strong feeling my MS will get me before the no pest strips...
 
ive been useing them all around my house , including my bedroom for years and im still alive , as are all my animals , including my lizard which if anything would of died first due to it

i have or i had multiple ones in my basement , one in my kitchen , one in my living room and one in my bedroom

as i mentioned before , and it is to be taken with a grain of salt and not meant as gospel , a lot of warnings on labels etc are blown out of purportion just so the company has their ass covered in case of any freak accident

like warnings on coffee cups now due to someone sueing when they spilled hot coffee on themselves , since then you order a coffee to go and it says somewhere on the cup "warning hot"

just saying

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AVOID these Hot Shot No Pest Strips they are very heavy shit, kill bugs and you google for more as I forget the heavy chemical will get you coughing up blood...use Neem Oil, its safer and organic! ...


edit: HOT SHOT PEST STRIP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichlorvos

wiki is about as reliable as listening to the guy down the street who doesnt know when to shut up

not saying the info is true or false or exagerated or not , just that wiki info can be edited by anyone with an account , and any of us can sign up for one

in fact , i could log in and completely edit the link you posted and say hot shot strips are safe to eat , even though they are NOT!
 
Ya Id have to agree with brother pig as well.I worked in many nurseries when I was young and many of these products were newer to the market.I was spraying some chem(i cant recall the name)to kill vegetation(smart me right?!)and remember waking up on the ground in the sun under some orange trees.Atleast the orange blossoms were in bloom so it wasnt all bad.LOL!
 
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