New Grower Help to identify: What might be the problem with this autoflowering plant?

[xotorazeko]

Strain: auto bubblelicious / bubble gum, or some variety.
Flowering: started flowering about 10 days ago.
Posture: Extremely short and bushy, thick stem, lots of branches
Looks: Most of the plant is lush and green still.

Problem:

At the beginning of the week some bottom leaves turned yellowy so it's been fed. Leaves were wilting but picked itself back up.


This image shows the top which looks odd to me.
There is some leaf curling / canooing as well.

Other images:

Album on imgur: https://imgur.com/a/lohlt#0



I will try to get more photos soon.

Here is what I'm wondering:

- What do you think is the problem here?
- Is it zinc, mag, or cal deficiency?
- Can I just buy human supplement, crash and dilute in water?

Thank you all.

Please note:

In the same environment another plant looks perfectly as one would expect (AK47 or some variety, auto, smaller pot).

Some information:

Soil: Organic
Light setup: DIY, 0 heat emitting (isolated) LED system.
Light sched.: 18/6
Temps/Hum: 28-29c (~83 F) / %30
Watering:Only when soil is dry, leaves start to wilt
Feed: Organic bloom NPK (only once been given, right after spotting yellowing bottom leaves when the plant was thirty)

Stres:

Heat stress: very unlikely. temps. over canopy are very nice and other plants are doing great
Humidity: reads around 30% but likely to be bit more
Bugs / insects: doesn't exist

 

[illbethere]

Can you make a sharper pic and some more of her entirely? I'm not really sure the tips look like they're getting a bit burned? maybe over-watering? I know mine did stuff like that 2 from time to time especially when going in to flowering could be that the top looks a bit weird because she's starting to make cola's.

I do think tho that 30% humidity is pretty low and could be stressing her? maybe the top is getting to close to the lamps?

A bit more info could be helpfull!

 

[xotorazeko]

Hey @illbethere, thanks for checking out.

Photos
I will try to post more today. Some from few days ago and some new ones showing the current situation better.

Tips look odd I agree but what's confusing me is vegetative grow that is curling up.
Have you seen this before? Is it because of its making colas really? (I'm a newbie)

Do you think it might be due to calcium, mag. or zinc deficiency?

Shall I order some cal meg feed?

Meanwhile I added the following information to the initial post:

Soil: Organic
Light setup: DIY, 0 heat emitting (isolated) LED system.
Light sched.: 18/6
Temps/Hum: 28-29c (~83 F) / %30
Watering: Only when soil is dry, or when leaves start to wilt
Feed: Organic bloom NPK (only once been given, right after spotting yellowing bottom leaves when the plant was thirty)

Heat stress: very unlikely. temps. over canopy are very nice and other plants are doing great
Humidity: not sure Bugs / insects: doesn't exist

Can you make a sharper pic and some more of her entirely? I'm not really sure the tips look like they're getting a bit burned? maybe over-watering? I know mine did stuff like that 2 from time to time especially when going in to flowering could be that the top looks a bit weird because she's starting to make cola's.

I do think tho that 30% humidity is pretty low and could be stressing her? maybe the top is getting to close to the lamps?

A bit more info could be helpfull!

Thanks again!

 

[Gonzo]

hello,

If you water when leaves start to wilt it is most probably underfed and nothing else.

As I can immagine, you grow this one in a bigger pot as others, so you most probably water less often.

 

[The Elvis]

that one pic is not 100% but all i see is slight nute burn i don't see any major issues in the 1 pic you have posted. its vegging/budding so its growing very fast and they roll, curl and stretch all kinds of ways.. how wet is your soil? dry it out ... back off a bit on nutes..

 

[illbethere]

Hey @illbethere, thanks for checking out.

Photos
I will try to post more today. Some from few days ago and some new ones showing the current situation better.

Tips look odd I agree but what's confusing me is vegetative grow that is curling up.
Have you seen this before? Is it because of its making colas really? (I'm a newbie)

Do you think it might be due to calcium, mag. or zinc deficiency?

Shall I order some cal meg feed?

Meanwhile I added the following information to the initial post:

Soil: Organic
Light setup: DIY, 0 heat emitting (isolated) LED system.
Light sched.: 18/6
Temps/Hum: 28-29c (~83 F) / %30
Watering: Only when soil is dry, or when leaves start to wilt
Feed: Organic bloom NPK (only once been given, right after spotting yellowing bottom leaves when the plant was thirty)

Heat stress: very unlikely. temps. over canopy are very nice and other plants are doing great
Humidity: not sure Bugs / insects: doesn't exist



Thanks again!

yeah she's probably due to start showing pistils at the top so there's a lot of growth going on there that could make it look a bit weird.

don't wait till she wilts before watering! what method do u use to water?

wait you mentioned humidity twice but the second time you say: "not sure Bugs / insects: doesn't exist" I don't really get that.
if your humidity is too low she'll be evaporating too much and can cause retarded leave growth. humidity shouldn't be lower then 40% and during veg should be 40- 60 %

do you know anything about "organic" growing or what do you mean by "organic" soil because You might want to start giving nutes on a regular basis waiting till she's starving for it is really bad for her & her growth.

 

[xotorazeko]

hey again @illbethere !

photos:
I just added some photos.
Can you please check the mid part of the initial post or see the album here? >> https://imgur.com/a/lohlt#0

my big question:
do you reckon I should order some nutes etc. such as cal meg as an addition to the NPK?

water:
I use tap water. Here it is nice and mild and clean. Not too many chemicals or additives.
It gets boiled, cooled, then aired for many hours for evaporation of stuff then the plants get watered slowly from near the stem and thoroughly until some run-off of water.

humidity:
Sorry about humidity. I was on the go and got messed up typing the message.
My crappy humidity & temp meter says 30% but it is likely to be more. it fluctuates.
If I place the meter on soil, it goes way up (around 60%).
If it is right beneath where lights hit on the bottom of the box, it goes down (30 odd %).

organics:
Get ready to laugh but here is all I know about organics:
No chemically derived additives, all nutes etc. are from natural and renewable (preferably) sources.

soil / feed:
Soil I used is quite excellent. Mildly fertilised. It's called "PLANT MAGIC SOIL SUPREME"
I used "PLANT MAGIC granules" to add bio micro life forms or whatever it is called to help with root growth.
The feed I use is "PLANT MAGIC old timer bloom".

You are absolutely right. I should have fed sooner but something came along and over that 24 hour period, plant wilted and some leaves turned yellow (please see the photo).

As the other plant (Auto Ak47 sort) was ready to be watered about 36 hours prior, it got its water and feed on time and no issues at all.

I was afraid of giving nutes regularly because I read that "autos do not need them" etc.
But I think I will follow your advice on all aspects.

I really appreciate you taking your time to give me all this information.

Any reading you might recommend I'm willing to check about organics.

Cheers!

yeah she's probably due to start showing pistils at the top so there's a lot of growth going on there that could make it look a bit weird.

don't wait till she wilts before watering! what method do u use to water?

wait you mentioned humidity twice but the second time you say: "not sure Bugs / insects: doesn't exist" I don't really get that.
if your humidity is too low she'll be evaporating too much and can cause retarded leave growth. humidity shouldn't be lower then 40% and during veg should be 40- 60 %

do you know anything about "organic" growing or what do you mean by "organic" soil because You might want to start giving nutes on a regular basis waiting till she's starving for it is really bad for her & her growth.

 

[xotorazeko]

Thanks Elvis!

I added some more photos and I'd appreciate if you could take a look.

I am relatively new and would be very happy if this plant continued as it should and gave sweet fruit

that one pic is not 100% but all i see is slight nute burn i don't see any major issues in the 1 pic you have posted. its vegging/budding so its growing very fast and they roll, curl and stretch all kinds of ways.. how wet is your soil? dry it out ... back off a bit on nutes..

 

[illbethere]

hey again @illbethere !

photos:
I just added some photos.
Can you please check the mid part of the initial post or see the album here? >> https://imgur.com/a/lohlt#0

my big question:
do you reckon I should order some nutes etc. such as cal meg as an addition to the NPK?

water:
I use tap water. Here it is nice and mild and clean. Not too many chemicals or additives.
It gets boiled, cooled, then aired for many hours for evaporation of stuff then the plants get watered slowly from near the stem and thoroughly until some run-off of water.

humidity:
Sorry about humidity. I was on the go and got messed up typing the message.
My crappy humidity & temp meter says 30% but it is likely to be more. it fluctuates.
If I place the meter on soil, it goes way up (around 60%).
If it is right beneath where lights hit on the bottom of the box, it goes down (30 odd %).

organics:
Get ready to laugh but here is all I know about organics:
No chemically derived additives, all nutes etc. are from natural and renewable (preferably) sources.

soil / feed:
Soil I used is quite excellent. Mildly fertilised. It's called "PLANT MAGIC SOIL SUPREME"
I used "PLANT MAGIC granules" to add bio micro life forms or whatever it is called to help with root growth.
The feed I use is "PLANT MAGIC old timer bloom".

You are absolutely right. I should have fed sooner but something came along and over that 24 hour period, plant wilted and some leaves turned yellow (please see the photo).

As the other plant (Auto Ak47 sort) was ready to be watered about 36 hours prior, it got its water and feed on time and no issues at all.

I was afraid of giving nutes regularly because I read that "autos do not need them" etc.
But I think I will follow your advice on all aspects.

I really appreciate you taking your time to give me all this information.

Any reading you might recommend I'm willing to check about organics.

Cheers!

Ok so to start off I'm going to send you to this website: http://www.growweedeasy.com/home
I don't know if you've been on there, but it's one of the better guide websites (if not the best) out there ofc. there's nothing better then getting live help at a forum, but reading stuff like that takes you miles ahead!
It also has an entire section devoted to deficiencies etc.

NUTES
Judging from your photos and what you've told me I'm pretty sure you have an N deficiency because of the yellowing at the bottom and since you haven't really fed her anything.

since I'm now guessing you're new to this I'll give a short explanation (I'm not laughing I myself did not know anything about growing until a few months ago and as anyone here we all had to learn and weren't given this information from birth)

There are people who grow organically thing is they don't just buy some soil what they do is make it themselves so that the soil can sustain itself throughout the grow and won't have to add any nutrients.
We on the other hand (those who buy soil) need to use nutrients throughout the grow since the nutrients in that soil will run out in a few weeks.

if you plan on growing more in the future I would buy at least nutrients for veg, bloom (judging by the name I think you already have that) and some molasses that should solve 99,99% of your nutrient problems.

If you don't know what exactly to buy I myself bought this:http://www.biobizz.com/products/organic-packs/starterspacktm
This has some other stuff in it + a feeding schedule, this way you can experiment a little and find out how you want to be growing in an easy convenient way.
and of course don't forget some molasses. (that stuff does wonders)

The way I see it right now is that (if) you even were to give your plants your nutes earlier it's still blooming nutrients so that might've set off blooming way to soon and you might've ended up with a tiny plant and when i say tiny I mean it I've seen plants as big as a banana around here!

a good feeding schedule is fairly important!

HUMIDITY
Yes humidity close to the plant should be higher this is because of the fact that she's evaporating water into the air that 30% is probably the more accurate thing of what you should be looking at.
How much do you ventilate your plant? if possible I would make sure you slow down your ventilation. so that humidity goes up.

your soil sounds fine though!

 

[illbethere]

ohh and by what watering method you used I meant how do you check if it's dry?