Thanks man. Yours aren't looking bad. I need need to get some of those pots, just unsure about them outdoors. They seem more feasible indoors to me. I catch hell keeping cloth pots from getting too dry too quick indoors sometimes. Lol I've got my double grapes outside now in 3gal cloth pots they're doing ok just have to keep a close eye on em is all, right now getting them spring showers so it's not too bad I just top em off with feed here and there. It'll be interesting, my first approach at organics (half assed might I add) at least I can reuse the soil ha ha