Poor Bugger , I feel for ya mate from the bottom of my heart . you are going to come out of this being a lot wiser man . 
HBSS in EarthBoxes progressive lightening of newer leaves.
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Poor Bugger , I feel for ya mate from the bottom of my heart . you are going to come out of this being a lot wiser man .
I shall overcome!
I know you will . 
First light yesterday, the girls looked good and had perked up.
Big Girl
Little girl
As part of my dailies, I topped off the rez on the HBSS with a half gallon each.
Checked on them before bed..................a bit more perky.
An interesting thing I found while looking at the girls, I checked the moisture levels of the potted girls with Kong drinking more, easily tell when moving those girls. I checked the pH and it was right at 6.6 for each. So I checked pH in the EBs also. A few days ago, 18th, there was a discrepancy between the planted end and opposite end with the smaller girl at 6.7 and7.0 and the bigger girl 6.7 and 6.9. Last night both girls were 6.5 at all points!
This morning the girls are all hitting it hard!!! Yeah, HBSS coming up in height. I straightened out the big girl and moved her over towards the smaller for more room on the sides. She's still crowding Kong.
A big positive is a lot of the new growth on the big girl is MUCH greener with more darker green overall. Not outta the wood for sure, but maybe there are some pockets of light.
First light later today should give a good indicator of water usage on the EBs. Hopefully the smaller girl will show an increased uptake.
Current VPD RUNNING AT 1.18 kPa
So far I'm happy with the results from the work.
Big Girl
Little girl
As part of my dailies, I topped off the rez on the HBSS with a half gallon each.
Checked on them before bed..................a bit more perky.
An interesting thing I found while looking at the girls, I checked the moisture levels of the potted girls with Kong drinking more, easily tell when moving those girls. I checked the pH and it was right at 6.6 for each. So I checked pH in the EBs also. A few days ago, 18th, there was a discrepancy between the planted end and opposite end with the smaller girl at 6.7 and7.0 and the bigger girl 6.7 and 6.9. Last night both girls were 6.5 at all points!
This morning the girls are all hitting it hard!!! Yeah, HBSS coming up in height. I straightened out the big girl and moved her over towards the smaller for more room on the sides. She's still crowding Kong.
A big positive is a lot of the new growth on the big girl is MUCH greener with more darker green overall. Not outta the wood for sure, but maybe there are some pockets of light.
First light later today should give a good indicator of water usage on the EBs. Hopefully the smaller girl will show an increased uptake.
Current VPD RUNNING AT 1.18 kPa
So far I'm happy with the results from the work.
It is amazing that the HBSS are still chugging along, especially the smaller one. I still have lots of hope them to make some great canna, especially the bigger one. The buds are building and starting to stack well with the trichs kicking in. I guess an encouraging point to this problem with the HBSS is that on the next grow, the production should be just amazing. It will either be one EB and two 7gal pots or just two EBs in this 4x4.
In light of that vid and a hint of sour smell, I'm currently draining the small HBSS rez. Looking back, I should have lrt the rez dry out when I applied the EM1 treatment. By watering each day, I diluted the treatment each day. Lesson learned!
I'm going to drain the other HBSS. I haven't smelled anything from that one, but I could miss two cycles of waterings and still be safe.
By the beginning of the light cycle tomorrow, Both the 7gal girls should be ready for their tea feeding. Both HBSS will get top fed, mainly for the worms, but they will be hitting flowering hard pretty soon, if not now. Good daily changes can be seen. HBSS girls will then get 1/2 gal of the compost tea with Boost and the fresh SST from the barley. The next light cycle they will get a full water. and then start the dry outs of the rez.
I think it's best to wait at least one full watering cycle before I try the EM1 again. That will be the last time I use EM1 without activating it to make more.
In light of that vid and a hint of sour smell, I'm currently draining the small HBSS rez. Looking back, I should have lrt the rez dry out when I applied the EM1 treatment. By watering each day, I diluted the treatment each day. Lesson learned!
I'm going to drain the other HBSS. I haven't smelled anything from that one, but I could miss two cycles of waterings and still be safe.
By the beginning of the light cycle tomorrow, Both the 7gal girls should be ready for their tea feeding. Both HBSS will get top fed, mainly for the worms, but they will be hitting flowering hard pretty soon, if not now. Good daily changes can be seen. HBSS girls will then get 1/2 gal of the compost tea with Boost and the fresh SST from the barley. The next light cycle they will get a full water. and then start the dry outs of the rez.
I think it's best to wait at least one full watering cycle before I try the EM1 again. That will be the last time I use EM1 without activating it to make more.
I need to update this!
Sunday at 1:15 PM
I finally got all my ducks in a row and started the work I had planned.
Yeah...........not much of a LITFA plan, but the worms had eaten most all the food. The HBSS girls are on the verge of really developing some nice colas and the demand on the media is going to ramp up.
Pulled the 7gal pots and the small HBSS out of the tent so my big ass could get in. Pulled off the straw cover and avocados from them and applied four tablespoons of ground alfalfa to each girl. Applied 2 square bottom solo cupss of EWC with some worms to each girl. Applied 2 square bottom solo cups of compost on top of that. I left out any bokoshi this time. I think it's better used if I use a cover on the EBs.
I done something that I haven't seen anyone here do for their girls. I blended the fresh frozen defol leaves and stemsI pulled off earlier in the week and strained off the water and juice. I took the plant matter and put it in the avacodo shells, worms and compost mites had eaten all of it. I inoculated it with a little tea and placed them on top of the bare media. The worms go crazy for it in the worm
bin!
The girls then got 1/2 gal of the compost tea each and I replaced the straw.
Compost tea ingredients in four gal of tap water with ingredients directly added to the water:
4 tablespoons of horticulture molasses
Two square bottom solo cups of compost
2 square bottom solo cups of blended two row freshly malted barley...............added after brewing the tea.
Juice from blended defol canna leaves and stems
4 teaspoons of Boost added at the end and brewed for 2hrs
One square bottom solo cups of HumiChar added to the tea after straining the brewed tea.
The two 7gal girls got one square bottom solo cups of the final tea. They will get plain water at first light when the HBSS get their rez filled.
The interesting and confusing to me things I found. Some of the best looking developing areas are at the edge with the reflected light. I understand the factor of the reflected light, but why in the hell do they look like there is no/almost no problem in those areas.....even on the more hard hit smaller girl?
WILD BILL'S CANNA BIO-BOMBS(WBCBB)...............maybe I need to trademark that!
Backside of the smaller HBSS
SIZE REFERENCE FOR THE BIG HBSS.......I DON'T HAVE SMALL HANDS!
THE TENT AFTERWARDS
NOW
Almost all the new growth on the colas are dark green. All the lower growth is dark green also. This is on both girls. It's some of the upper fan leaves that are discolored and they are trying to green up. No, it's not fully fixed, but they have vastly improved.
I'm happy with the tent at the moment. That's always good when you can say something like that to yourself during a grow!
Please throw out your two cents!!
Kong is chopped, so it's just the HBSS . I was just looking very closely at them. They are INSANELY thick with foliage! I can't part the foliage and see the media. .....my hands stink fer an hour!
I do have my exhaust fan set pretty high and two clip-ons on high, so there is very good and fresh airflow.
They are packing on the buds like crazy! I don't want to stall that growth by defol at this point in flower. I also don't want to make the ongoing issue worse.
On the big girl. at the very bottom of the canopy, the foliage is small and fine and a shade lighter. I really don't think they are contributing much.
The little HBSS is MUCH more stiff and stocky, so it's too difficult to check the undergrowth like the big girl. I'll have to pull her out to get close enough to check.
Could removing the fan leaves make the current issue worse?
Would the defol slow bud fattening by a large margin?
Now that Kong is gone, I can center the Earthboxes, but that will only help the fore and aft ends. There is no room on the sides or between them.
Kong is chopped, so it's just the HBSS . I was just looking very closely at them. They are INSANELY thick with foliage! I can't part the foliage and see the media. .....my hands stink fer an hour!
I do have my exhaust fan set pretty high and two clip-ons on high, so there is very good and fresh airflow.
They are packing on the buds like crazy! I don't want to stall that growth by defol at this point in flower. I also don't want to make the ongoing issue worse.
On the big girl. at the very bottom of the canopy, the foliage is small and fine and a shade lighter. I really don't think they are contributing much.
The little HBSS is MUCH more stiff and stocky, so it's too difficult to check the undergrowth like the big girl. I'll have to pull her out to get close enough to check.
Could removing the fan leaves make the current issue worse?
Would the defol slow bud fattening by a large margin?
Now that Kong is gone, I can center the Earthboxes, but that will only help the fore and aft ends. There is no room on the sides or between them.
I'ver had a couple plant lately with insane foliage. I'd defoliate, even with good airflow your risking PM and mold, I'd clip it and all the sucker branches, open up any buds that are shaded, I'm sure it will pay off, even with the issue.
Thanks for the input! That was my train of thought also.
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