Fast finishing photoperiods

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Does anyone have experience on breeding these? I have doubts on the ability to 100% stabilize the genetics.

I ask because most of my grow at the moment is from a company that seems to focus on these fast finishing photoperiods and they all seem to grow strangely compared to clones and seeds I have alongside them in my mother tent. Especially since some of them have flowered completely to finish under 24 hours of light.

Upon more research through reviews on other websites I also found that some of their strains tend to hermie late into flower.

Have I been ripped off by a company with crappy unstable genetics??
Or is it common for fast finishing photoperiods to get one of the autoflower phenos?
Is it a bad idea to make these mothers?
Please help!
 
could be that the strain has auto flower genes in it and thats what make it faster...what strain and seed bank?
 
yes that is what is making it faster I already know that, I'm asking if I've been ripped off or is there no way to 100% stabilize these autoflower/photoperiod hybrid things

femaleseeds.nl
I am growing these that have probems
lemon kush - some of them have finished under 24 hour light in my mom tent
sex bud - starting to flower after moving from 24 hour LED to 18/6 hour CFL
easy sativa - never flowered after several months of 12/12

I have found problems on many other strains and many of their strains seem to hermie late into flowering. I don't think I need to put links for proof but if I need to I will, it's simple to google their reviews on multiple sites and they're full of hermie issues.
Nobody seems to try and make a mother out of their seeds so my situation is harder to prove

should/could this post go somewhere else to get it more attention? I'm stressed from this company putting my grow so far behind and the rep seems to be making up excuses

can I confidenty make moms out of their plants?
or should I just flower all my seeds and start over with a different company?
anyone I should mention to get help on this besides their rep whom I'm already in contact with?
 
their strains are probably unstable, i would just flower them and order new seeds from a reputable source/seed co. sucks to get set back. but theres plenty of fast strains that dont have auto genes if thats what your looking for?
 
yes that is what is making it faster I already know that, I'm asking if I've been ripped off or is there no way to 100% stabilize these autoflower/photoperiod hybrid things

femaleseeds.nl
I am growing these that have probems
lemon kush - some of them have finished under 24 hour light in my mom tent
sex bud - starting to flower after moving from 24 hour LED to 18/6 hour CFL
easy sativa - never flowered after several months of 12/12

I have found problems on many other strains and many of their strains seem to hermie late into flowering. I don't think I need to put links for proof but if I need to I will, it's simple to google their reviews on multiple sites and they're full of hermie issues.
Nobody seems to try and make a mother out of their seeds so my situation is harder to prove

should/could this post go somewhere else to get it more attention? I'm stressed from this company putting my grow so far behind and the rep seems to be making up excuses

can I confidenty make moms out of their plants?
or should I just flower all my seeds and start over with a different company?
anyone I should mention to get help on this besides their rep whom I'm already in contact with?

Copy that into their thread. They got their own "Female seeds" thread.
Good to hear that and sorry for your troubles.
 
Copy that into their thread. They got their own "Female seeds" thread.
Good to hear that and sorry for your troubles.

I didn't even want or care about fast flowering, I wanted the strains, I'm so upset!! I have bubblegummer from them and I'm afraid to mom them because of all these problems but I've been trying to get the perfect mommy bubblegum for like 10 years!!! (the only perfect I can find are autos)

I mostly just want advice at this point because more opinions never hurt anybody
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:doh:..... so, you've been in contact with Female? Have you read up here in their section, and spoken to @gennaro-fs ? I'm not getting you mate, if you're not interested in fast blooming strains, why the interest in breeding them? This is more complicated that you know, as far as what's fast, and the amount of auto's genetics bred into and remaining in them,... Look up in the Sweet Seeds section, the info on F1FV strains,... if you've read Female's info, you know some of their strains do have ruderalis genetics in them only for the purpose of speeding up blooming speed, but are bred differently from what Sweet does,... Female made them faster to finish in time for those growing outside in high latitude climates, short seasons,....


Upon more research through reviews on other websites I also found that some of their strains tend to hermie late into flower.

Have I been ripped off by a company with crappy unstable genetics??
Or is it common for fast finishing photoperiods to get one of the autoflower phenos?
Is it a bad idea to make these mothers?
>>> the tendency to hermie is in part strain dependent,... some no matter how well bred show this (Blueberry is known for this),... late bloom nanners are in fact fairly common, no matter the breeding or strain, stressed or not (any stress plays a huge role there).. this is the plants survival reactions to not getting knocked up,.... also, there is some truth to fem'ed seeds showing increased tendency to do this as well,... this in NOT the same deal as a full intersex plant, showing fully developed male flowers originating from node junctions,.. nanners always occur in the bud proper, and don't show the full male flowers components.... finally, the grower's treatment of the plant plays a big role in the expression of any such hermie tendencies,.... That's why Female is grilling you on your grow details!
Keep in mind each seed, no matter what-- fem'ed or not, auto or not, part auto or not, is a little gamble,... no such thing as perfection here, sorry,... and there's a lengthy list of other things that can cause problems with anybody's genetics....
As for your results and experience, those details about the grow, I don't know,.... first thing to look at is human error starting with the seed bank,... screw-up's are hardly uncommon in packing and labeling!... As for photo's with auto genes in them, at the depth of F generation Females works them to, no way should a photo' show to be an auto,.. that's a double recessive gene which is astronomically unlikely to manifest a full auto,...
>>> So far here as I can tell, nobody has had significant problems with Female, auto or photo,...several members and staff have run them and so far, nothing but praise,... That you got the results you did, I don't doubt, but to have that many "bad" plants in one batch is very very unlucky and odd,...
sex bud - starting to flower after moving from 24 hour LED to 18/6 hour CFL
--- photo' seedlings can run temporarily under 24/0, but not for long,...anything with auto/rudi' genes will be more sensitive to light hour changes (even if it's not to 12/12), and many breeders make deliberate note of mentioning this because of that,... what you did with this one is why it flowered unexpectedly,... and is exactly what Female "designed" the plants to do to cope with short season growing,... you realize Sex Bud is a reworked Cindy99, nearly pure Sativa? That is not a fast strain at all usually, even if you got it from Brothers Grimm,.... this is the why behind breeding with auto/rudi', to make such strains possible to finish where they normally likely wouldn't.... As for the others let's see what Gennaro says,....


Have I been ripped off by a company with crappy unstable genetics??
I mostly just want advice from the members here because clearly they know more than this company will ever know

I get your frustration, but if you went looking for misfires and problems on google, you'll find them with pretty much any breeder,.. what you don't know (or can't) is how many other no-problem grows are behind the statistically minute number of problem grows,....You're welcome to your opinion, but no way Female, after all these years and brutal competition, would still be around if their genetics were lousy, plain fact there,... Word gets around fast these days! -here, especially,...and that parting comment does you no service either, "members" are not breeders, or know the deep details about auto breeding.... read up the the Female section, when they first came aboard here,.. we grilled them plenty, looked into their rep' well before giving them the green light here,...
 
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I'm not breeding I just have been cloning off my mothers to do new grows but with local breeders, this was my first attempt getting anything online and I'm scared to go with online again because of it

I am in contact with genarro and I know they're trying to help me and figure this out.

I'm with you on the mislabeling, it happened to me, they sent me someone else's completely different order which they corrected for me,
everything I have growing from them right now is from that mistake order.
I paid extra for better shipping and the mistake order was packaged really nicely with fancy packets for the seeds and came in 3 weeks
the correct order came in about 2 weeks but was packaged a little sad, just a piece of cardboard with the seeds shoved inside resulting in all my freebies being cracked (great stealth was used and I wont reveal their methods). I know I can't complain too much because I basically got free seeds out of it but if the second package was my only package I would have been worried!

and as for seeing their strains were bred with ruderalis, when I first visited their page and made the order, the descriptions were not as lengthy and informative as they are now, in fact lemon kush made NO mention of it being bred with auto at all and it's why I ordered it, I love that strain. I think that if something is being advertised as a full photoperiod that 20% of their seeds shouldn't start flowering on day 30. The sex bud was a freebie that made it from the first order and I dont care if it's flowering but I've never heard of fast flowering before I made my online seed adventure.

Didn't want this thread to look like I'm talking down about anyone sorry if I've achieved that appearance.

So does fast flowering mean that its been bred with auto at some point? If that's what it means then I'm going to just flower all these babies
I have no doubts on the quality of the good seeds from them I have going lol , I have finished some really dank bud from them!

that's their finished lemon
 
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@Waira thanks for the advice. I edited my post a little. should I put this somewhere else since I am not breeding?

The whole point of this post was to get some more opinions and I didnt want to name the company directly
 
I've been out of the scene since before this stuff was a thing so in researching what's changed I came across this info about fast flowering strains. Take it with a grain of salt since I don't know what I'm talking about here, just parroting what I've read.

To make a photo strain auto you breed together. The next generation will all be photo. If you were to breed these together, their progeny would have a 25% chance of auto flowering, 25% chance of photo and a 50% chance of being what you have, "fast" flowering or semi-auto where it will start flowering under more light than a photo requires allowing it to finish roughly 2 weeks sooner than a normal photo. Attempts to stabilize the "fast" trait are not possible it goes back to one or the other, auto or photo.


Like I said just what I read and not recently so I might have misremembered some details, sorry I couldn't tell you definitively.
 
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