Indoor Elite garden nutrients

[Waira]

-- dewds,....

Izzy, at 15" the lights are too close I believe, the edge curling on upper fans is a sign of such stress (is this a 5w Reflector?),... LED's seem to make different symptoms because the heat and point source intensity (like HID bulbs) isn't there, plus the nature of the light/wavelengths themselves is very different,... intensity isn't the only reason there's a certain minimum distance set, they way the light spreads out from different wavelength diodes is less and less even as the distance shortens, making for unbalanced coverage, and hot spots...
-- I know coco can be deceiving, but they look drier than they should be,.. Coco breaths like no other medium, and can handle higher moisture levels and not compromise gas exchange in root zone,... did they at any point become too dry, to the point of wilting? Coco can be a bitch to rehydrate evenly, hence the need for wetting agents like Coco-Wet,... also, such a dry out will fry roots, and cause shock and compromise uptake until they regrow,... Sure it's possible to overwater in coco too, but it's more difficult to do vs other media... The droops here looks moisture related to me, not the occasional phenomena of light/dark leaf drooping,.. this is more of a petiole movement thing, not the leaf fingers themselves curling down....
--- I can't see well in those pics Izzy, can you shoot clearer ones please? What I can tell from symptoms is more Mg defc., not Ca-- oddly! Ca will make distinct, often fine rusty spotting, true dead tissues,.. this looks more like interveinal color fade characteristic of Mg defc.... Also, coco's odd CEC properties call for more Ca and to a lesser degree, Mg, because it binds these ions up until sated, then it'll give-and-take more readily,... I see no pH readings on your feed solutions or in-pot,... what have they been? Nute's tend to make acidic soln.'s, so it's kinda weird that you need a pH down..?

 

[Discretepete2676]

-- dewds,....

Izzy, at 15" the lights are too close I believe, the edge curling on upper fans is a sign of such stress (is this a 5w Reflector?),... LED's seem to make different symptoms because the heat and point source intensity (like HID bulbs) isn't there, plus the nature of the light/wavelengths themselves is very different,... intensity isn't the only reason there's a certain minimum distance set, they way the light spreads out from different wavelength diodes is less and less even as the distance shortens, making for unbalanced coverage, and hot spots...
-- I know coco can be deceiving, but they look drier than they should be,.. Coco breaths like no other medium, and can handle higher moisture levels and not compromise gas exchange in root zone,... did they at any point become too dry, to the point of wilting? Coco can be a bitch to rehydrate evenly, hence the need for wetting agents like Coco-Wet,... also, such a dry out will fry roots, and cause shock and compromise uptake until they regrow,... Sure it's possible to overwater in coco too, but it's more difficult to do vs other media... The droops here looks moisture related to me, not the occasional phenomena of light/dark leaf drooping,.. this is more of a petiole movement thing, not the leaf fingers themselves curling down....
--- I can't see well in those pics Izzy, can you shoot clearer ones please? What I can tell from symptoms is more Mg defc., not Ca-- oddly! Ca will make distinct, often fine rusty spotting, true dead tissues,.. this looks more like interveinal color fade characteristic of Mg defc.... Also, coco's odd CEC properties call for more Ca and to a lesser degree, Mg, because it binds these ions up until sated, then it'll give-and-take more readily,... I see no pH readings on your feed solutions or in-pot,... what have they been? Nute's tend to make acidic soln.'s, so it's kinda weird that you need a pH down..?

I have to use down with this line too using RO water and calimagic as my base, mixing the line in order at full strength.

 

[IzzyTheGrower]

-- dewds,....

Izzy, at 15" the lights are too close I believe, the edge curling on upper fans is a sign of such stress (is this a 5w Reflector?),... LED's seem to make different symptoms because the heat and point source intensity (like HID bulbs) isn't there, plus the nature of the light/wavelengths themselves is very different,... intensity isn't the only reason there's a certain minimum distance set, they way the light spreads out from different wavelength diodes is less and less even as the distance shortens, making for unbalanced coverage, and hot spots...
-- I know coco can be deceiving, but they look drier than they should be,.. Coco breaths like no other medium, and can handle higher moisture levels and not compromise gas exchange in root zone,... did they at any point become too dry, to the point of wilting? Coco can be a bitch to rehydrate evenly, hence the need for wetting agents like Coco-Wet,... also, such a dry out will fry roots, and cause shock and compromise uptake until they regrow,... Sure it's possible to overwater in coco too, but it's more difficult to do vs other media... The droops here looks moisture related to me, not the occasional phenomena of light/dark leaf drooping,.. this is more of a petiole movement thing, not the leaf fingers themselves curling down....
--- I can't see well in those pics Izzy, can you shoot clearer ones please? What I can tell from symptoms is more Mg defc., not Ca-- oddly! Ca will make distinct, often fine rusty spotting, true dead tissues,.. this looks more like interveinal color fade characteristic of Mg defc.... Also, coco's odd CEC properties call for more Ca and to a lesser degree, Mg, because it binds these ions up until sated, then it'll give-and-take more readily,... I see no pH readings on your feed solutions or in-pot,... what have they been? Nute's tend to make acidic soln.'s, so it's kinda weird that you need a pH down..?

I raised the light up some yes it is the 5w leds, I haven't phed in a few feedings as I use recharge as a buffer... But you hit it on the head they dried out on me after a long day at work just didn't feel like messing with them last week some time... Going to grow store will possibly add some drip lines or something that allows for constant feedings also will be grabbing more ph down using tap, starting ph is pretty high...

I will take better pics here in a few light has been raised to 24in above canopy

More constant phed feedings and not having the lights so low seems to be the solution going to get things in order [emoji41] [emoji41] [emoji41] thanks for the advice

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[IzzyTheGrower]

@Waira here's some better pics fed the girls with a ph up of 6.3 and 75% strength on the nutes

in the last 2 pics you can see it the brown rusting/spotting going to make sure they dont go dry on me again [emoji268][emoji268][emoji268]

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[IzzyTheGrower]

Small update, the girls are looking alot better been feeding at least 2 times a day now at full strength will go with 3 feedings a day soon I want more of a hydro grow with the coco, i also started major leaf tucking and a lil bit of ponytailing make for a more of a even canopy come flower

I removed the few brown spotted leaves as the new growth has been lush and green staying on top of waterings is a must in coco especially 1gal smart pots hahaha i love a challenge

the manage a Tyrones look short and stout^^^

nice structure on the grape crinkles I can tell these girls are going to be bushy they're loving the leaf tucking very easy with these 2

The northern lights looking akcward with the training but I know it will pay off in the long run

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[budelee]

Update day 67: these girls arw as far as they are gonna go with the nutrients so i will not feed anymore,i plan on one watering with straight water,let them dry out and cut next weekend which will pit them at 74 days...lets run thru the pics

heres a side by side of the Dinafem white widows ,the plants are using up the reserves and are just about to the finish line

some bud pics of the WW plants...........Okay the next series of pics will show the Short Stuff Green Crack plants...

and some more bud shots

.... @Discretepete2676 hey bro,the testing of the nutes is complete,how far do you want me to document before i post my test summary of the Elite Nutrient test?? And do you want that posted here in the communal journal??

 

[Discretepete2676]

Update day 67: these girls arw as far as they are gonna go with the nutrients so i will not feed anymore,i plan on one watering with straight water,let them dry out and cut next weekend which will pit them at 74 days...lets run thru the picsView attachment 687184heres a side by side of the Dinafem white widows ,the plants are using up the reserves and are just about to the finish lineView attachment 687186View attachment 687187 View attachment 687188View attachment 687189 View attachment 687190View attachment 687191 some bud pics of the WW plants...........Okay the next series of pics will show the Short Stuff Green Crack plants...View attachment 687192and some more bud shotsView attachment 687193View attachment 687194 View attachment 687195View attachment 687196.... @Discretepete2676 hey bro,the testing of the nutes is complete,how far do you want me to document before i post my test summary of the Elite Nutrient test?? And do you want that posted here in the communal journal??

I thinkWe are supposed to do a full two runs/ 6 months almost of testing and we can write a review after that in Pretty sure, @GoAuto6 @Son of Hobbes

Im creeping up on day 60 with this first run and I'm pretty happy so far to be honest. I think this second run should be damn near perfect. The buds really picked up in size from what I thought they would be! In around that 800-900ppm mark ands I'm going to start tapering down feed. Very last pic is my photos in getting ready to flip finally!!!!

 

[Discretepete2676]

I tried to push them slightly too hard I think and locked out a couple things here and there but overall the buds are a nice density So far and I'm really loving the resin production! Round two I'll be running dinafem critical+2.0 and some sour stomper by mephisto to compare to the ones I grew with my other line.

 

[GoAuto6]

I'v got some pictures coming out to night I bumped up the feed and things are looking betrter!!!!