Do breeders Own Their Geneticts ?

[La Buena Hierba]

own genetica no/yes.....depends.... but i breeding and selecting autoflowering lines for wel over 10 generations selecting out of more 100 of plants each time.....years and years of work. and time
.let me sey it like this i had in the past breed dogs show lines few generations wat if some else buy a pup that i breed out of F4 lines i owed and seying he breed it take credit for it sound it oke with you? he own the dog yes .but give credit to the breeder that selecting and looking for the best cominations to make that dog (and yes your creating a dog breed it each generation selecting in it parends!)
i dont se a problem to breed with plants only sey where they lines from and give credit for al the work they dith!! if someone just put 2 plants(ore dogs) toghether dont make them breeder.i talking more generations and wise selections..
sorry for my bad english hoop you guy;s understand it a bit?
Peace LBH

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[Boogieman]

owh genetica no/yes.....depends.... but i breeding and selecting autoflowering lines for wel over 10 generations selecting out of more 100 of plants each time.....
.let me sey it like this i had in the past breed dogs show lines few generations wat if some else buy a pup that i breed out of F4 lines i owed and seying he breed it take credit for it sound it oke with you? he own the dog yes .but give credit to the breeder that selecting and looking for the best cominations to make that dog
i dont se a problem to breed with plants only sey where they lines from and give credit for al the work they dith!! if someone just put 2 plants(ore dogs) toghether dont make them breeder.i talking more generations and wise selections..
sorry for my bad english hoop you guy;s understand it a bit?
Peace LBH

:Sharing One:

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[A4]

own genetica no/yes.....depends.... but i breeding and selecting autoflowering lines for wel over 10 generations selecting out of more 100 of plants each time.....years and years of work. and time
.let me sey it like this i had in the past breed dogs show lines few generations wat if some else buy a pup that i breed out of F4 lines i owed and seying he breed it take credit for it sound it oke with you? he own the dog yes .but give credit to the breeder that selecting and looking for the best cominations to make that dog (and yes your creating a dog breed it each generation selecting in it parends!)
i dont se a problem to breed with plants only sey where they lines from and give credit for al the work they dith!! if someone just put 2 plants(ore dogs) toghether dont make them breeder.i talking more generations and wise selections..
sorry for my bad english hoop you guy;s understand it a bit?
Peace LBH

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Your English is good brother and I agree with you 110%. I have seen your posts for years and always appreciate your comments on these subjects.

 

[AKNorthernlights]

Thanks a bunch for all the great responses and alot of good points brought up and some things to consider for sure.

But like Pop22 said where do we draw the line of ownership of DNA

If I bought an apple could I grow out the seeds and use them for what ever I decided>?

I think in the future autos will continue to improve in size and quality because of independent breeding projects and what we have now will be obsolete unless we encourage genetic diversity.

 

[A4]

But like Pop22 said where do we draw the line of ownership of DNA

If I bought an apple could I grow out the seeds and use them for what ever I decided>?

In most cases, if you buy something it is yours to use freely. With Monsanto and several other "seed conglomerates" they are genetically modifying seed and patenting them. In those cases, they have won lawsuits against farmers using their seed under intellectual property rights laws. That is a double edged sword because they can't control cross pollination and I know of a couple of lawsuits against Monsanto that are using "trespassing" laws stating that a farmer's heirloom crop was infested with GMO pollen from Monsanto seed. That is very easy to prove and it could have some serious implications if Monsanto is found guilty because once those heirloom genetics are cross pollinated they have lost many years of work and in some cases several generations of work.

To the best of my knowledge, no one in the cannabis industry has patented their seed. To the best of my knowledge. I would guess that will change soon and am kind of surprised that some of the higher CBD breeders haven't started as they are marketing mostly to medical patients.

So, hopefully that answers your question. Legally, to the best of my knowledge, no breeders have patented seeds so you are free to use them as you wish. There is a big difference between something being legally right and something being morally right and in those cases it is up to the individual's moral compass. As always, if you send an email to the breeder and simply ask to use their genetics in a breeding project you have covered your bases as for moral and legal implications.

As a final note, I must say I am not a lawyer and am not representing you in any way and make no claims that my statements are lawfully correct. I am only providing one person's opinion on the subject.

 

[Grandma Roody]

"kudos"


Still great advice here.

I am shit tired to comment now, but thanks for everyone's input here.

 

[kaosangel22]

In my honest opinion as a breeder I always aske others to use there genetics unless landrace breeding. I feel while cannabis seeds are un patented breeders should be respected for there work. As far as just breeding for fun and free smokes I myself as a breeder do not condone it. However if you were to breed say anything I have made to resell I'd like to be accredited for the base line cross. Not collect royalties etc but just mention the fact that my genes were used.

This is just my two cents but then again I love to spread the love.

 

[briman]

Yes and no, or vise versa. Once you buy the seeds, you own them to do what you want with. BUT, if you breed them to something else, and sell/gift, you should give the proper respect to the original breeder and line. Rule of thumb, ask first, then use your head a bit with what you cross someones life work with, OR ask that breeder what they would think if you crossed it with strain X. There are Blasphemy strains out there, I would just ask for permission, ask the original breeder what they thought about the cross you plan on making and go from there. For me, if is a respect issue.

 

[puffman420]

I dont see any need to ask any permission at all providing you are legitimately doing something original thats not available to purchase on the market and you feel a niche is their you may be able fit into.

An example of this could be that people may want a duckfoot auto yet its not available, Say AFN sold their own seeds; if you got AFN Brand duckfoot photo period and crossed to an AFN Brand autoflower for the auto traits and work it for a few years to achieve a stable auto duckfoot that is your strain without any question or doubt. AFN are the foundation genetics but the strain created is now yours.

In dog breeding terms its your bloodline. A great example is looking at pitbull pedigrees you see the names of the bloodline changes every 3 or 4 generations but you can look at all the modern lines and they all trace back to the same small gene pool of foundation bloodlines. The outcrossing and linebreeding etc over the generations has produced so many variations in size, colour and temperament that they no longer truly represent the original foundation bloodline they originated from so i feel the same goes with the plants.

I also think the fems should cost cheaper and regs be more expensive as regs should be sold for breeding and fems for growing bud.

Good thread enjoying the opinions

 

[dingo]

I wonder if Monsanto could patent CBD in some way and collect on every medical strain that hits the counter?