day 44 and alot of yellow

also... its a possibility of iron... :
Iron (Fe) Micro Nutrient and an Immobile element

Iron is an important component of the plants enzyme and is also important for the transportation of electrons while photosynthesis is happening...

Iron reacts with many of the components of nutrient solutions, which will cause a nutrient lockup to occur, If you add to much Iron without adding enough Phosphorus, you can contribute to a phosphorus deficiency , so watch out how much iron and phosphorus your nutrients have. The Leaves on the plant can turn a pale yellow along the growing shoots, while the veins remain dark green. When you have pH imbalance, it can make iron insoluble. The tissue between the veins becomes pale or white, kind of mimics the magnesium deficiency, but not yellow, iron has the white where the yellow would be on the magnesium deficiency. The deficiency starts with the lower and middle leaves, while the new leaves become completely lacking in chlorophyll, but with little or no necrotic spots. The chlorotic mottling on new leaves starts first near the bases of the leaflets, so the middle of the leaf appears to have a yellow mark. Iron is difficult for plants to absorb and moves really slowly in the plant.
Harder for outdoor plants to absorb when in hot weather. Parts affected by the Iron Deficiency are: Young leaves and Petioles.

To much Iron can cause a problem that looks like a PH imbalance, Brown spotting on the top leaves, mainly fan leaves. Can affect the whole plant. Iron Toxicity is rare for Ph below 5.5.

Problems with Iron being locked out by PH troubles
Over watering, pests nematodes, not enough drainage, like not enough perlite. High ph, Soils with low iron, High Phosphorus, Excess Zinc, manganese or copper.

Soil

Iron gets locked out of soil growing at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in soil at a ph level of 4.0-6.5 (Wouldn’t recommend having a soil ph of over 7.0 in soil) anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an Iron Deficiency.

Hydro and Soil less Mediums

Iron gets locked out of Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 2.0-3.5
Iron is absorbed best in Hydro and Soil less Mediums at ph levels of 4.0- 6.0 (Wouldn’t recommend having a ph over 6.5 in hydro and soil less mediums.) Best range for hydro and soil less mediums is 5.0 to 6.0. Anything out of the ranges listed will contribute to an iron deficiency.

Solution to fixing a Iron deficiency
Any Chemical/Organic nutrients that have potassium in them will fix a Iron deficiency. (Only mixing at ½ strength when using chemical nutrients, or it will cause nutrient burn!) Foliar feed with chemical fertilizer containing Fe or rusty water can work well. Other supplements that have Iron in them are: Iron chelates, Ferric oxide, Ferrous oxide, Ferrous sulfate, all of these are fast absorption. Greensand, Cottonseed Meal is slow absorption, Garden Manure, which is medium absorption. Manure is most common organic iron source to use.

Now if you added to much chemical nutrients and or organics,( which is hard to burn your plants when using organics) You need to Flush the soil with plain water. You need to use 2 times as much water as the size of the pot, for example: If you have a 5 gallon pot and need to flush it, you need to use 10 gallons of water to rinse out the soil good enough to get rid of excessive nutrients.

Picture 2-3 is a more severe case of iron def

 
see how the fan leaves are yellowing and drooping from the bottom up, It looks like n locked out by out of range ph. if you can confirm your ph meter is out you need to recalibrate it then water with a ph of 6.9 - 7. from the sound of things you dont need to give them anymore food or molasses untill the ph is right


Yea they did start yellowing from bottom thats what made me think of a nitrogen def. and after i fed 4 days ago they yellowing stopped for couple days then started getting worse yesterday and today.. Thats why i fed a tsb of grow big today thinking maybe the 1/2 tsb was to weak 4 days ago. The ph meter is still on point, what should the ph be of the runoff after feeding??
 
Just a thought, did your yellowing start within a day or 2 of you using the molasses?
 
Yea they did start yellowing from bottom thats what made me think of a nitrogen def. and after i fed 4 days ago they yellowing stopped for couple days then started getting worse yesterday and today.. Thats why i fed a tsb of grow big today thinking maybe the 1/2 tsb was to weak 4 days ago. The ph meter is still on point, what should the ph be of the runoff after feeding??



how dry are your pots getting before you water? if you dont mind tell me how you water your plants. and how often have you been feeding them?
 
I would say n as well and a touch of mg will not hurt. the problem is the pot size to plant ratio a larger pot would have bought you more time i have a similar issues with my photos now

also dont look at the lower leafs as a sign of improvement (there to far gone) they will dop and die anyway now make sure it does not spread and other foilage is green
 
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how dry are your pots getting before you water? if you dont mind tell me how you water your plants. and how often have you been feeding them?

i water twice a week, sometimes 3 times a week and no the bottom leaves was turning yellow before i got the molassess
 
I would say n as well and a touch of mg will not hurt. the problem is the pot size to plant ratio a larger pot would have bought you more time i have a similar issues with my photos now

also dont look at the lower leafs as a sign of improvement (there to far gone) they will dop and die anyway now make sure it does not spread and other foilage is green

I wasnt looking at the bottom leaves for signs of improvement, they was just the first to yellow... how much bigger pots you think i should try next time? them are 2gallon?
 
3 gallon to 4 or 5... depends on your grow space really.. IMHO... I defer to MR MC...
 
well theres no hard and fast rules as it depends on strain and mix, My grandad a master gardener lol said the top should reflect the bottom so i would say at least 3g on that plant
other rules of thumb are 1 g for every 4 weeks of growth or 1g per ft of plant
 
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