New Grower Cost/benefit on led?
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Personally I cant wait to see what LED's can do...I used to grow under 1000w hps+mh 20 years ago but have not grown an indoor plant since then. Now armed with a pair of fairly cheap LED's(one old mars 100X3w and one researched ebay dimmable 300w) I cant wait to fire the microgrow up! As soon as summer cools its on!
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please keep it un-shouty.
Haha, i think i'm laughed at the same thing.
please keep it un-shouty.Haha, i think i'm laughed at the same thing.
Despite "grower" leds are on the market for almost 10 years now, there seem to be a huge part of people still have a very vague idea on how they work, good light spectrum for plants, the intensity needed for cannabis and so on.
I think part of this problem being still present is because the majority of info on growing with leds was given by led manufacturers and not growing experts or scientific measurements. There is still a lack of proper info on led growing products, seems to me the old selling practices still persist and new led growers fall right into the abyss of unrealistic claims and expectations.
And then the myths persist in the growing populations, until some numbers and reviews pop up.
Thanks to test growers and people who measure 'things' with measuring instruments we found out many scams and gems in the led world, sadly the truth is slow to spread around.
I feel there are good choices on the market today, there are way more bad products but that's the residue of those marketing lies and will be swept away in some time.
Sadly for me the price bar is way too high for good products, so the good-old(but improved) hids still have some appeal as proven technology which is available at a fraction of the led cost.
For example if I would(hopefully will soon) have to buy a lightning setup, I'd definitely choose some good hps/mh system. One can get a gavita 1000W for the same price as a GN 75W unit, to be fair these two can't compare at all in any category.
The other good option is CMH light but still has a high buck per area bar for a starting setup for me.
I feel there are two best ways to gain proper experience
1. start with hids(old school tradition), switch on leds(best on market!, avoid the rest) or the best hids(phillips CMH 315)
2. get into science and get the numbers, one can use theory to understand almost anything
The third way is even better, it's combining the two from above
I really would like to see some more numbers from led manufacturers, last time I searched for MarsHydro data and it's so discouragingly confusing that I would never consider buying anything from them. Sadly also GN don't provide with such measurements, but I'm sure once the light gets on the US market, someone will do it and post a video
Like what the MonsterGarden guys do, that's a really good practice.
I think part of this problem being still present is because the majority of info on growing with leds was given by led manufacturers and not growing experts or scientific measurements. There is still a lack of proper info on led growing products, seems to me the old selling practices still persist and new led growers fall right into the abyss of unrealistic claims and expectations.
And then the myths persist in the growing populations, until some numbers and reviews pop up.
Thanks to test growers and people who measure 'things' with measuring instruments we found out many scams and gems in the led world, sadly the truth is slow to spread around.
I feel there are good choices on the market today, there are way more bad products but that's the residue of those marketing lies and will be swept away in some time.
Sadly for me the price bar is way too high for good products, so the good-old(but improved) hids still have some appeal as proven technology which is available at a fraction of the led cost.
For example if I would(hopefully will soon) have to buy a lightning setup, I'd definitely choose some good hps/mh system. One can get a gavita 1000W for the same price as a GN 75W unit, to be fair these two can't compare at all in any category.
The other good option is CMH light but still has a high buck per area bar for a starting setup for me.
I feel there are two best ways to gain proper experience
1. start with hids(old school tradition), switch on leds(best on market!, avoid the rest) or the best hids(phillips CMH 315)
2. get into science and get the numbers, one can use theory to understand almost anything
The third way is even better, it's combining the two from above
I really would like to see some more numbers from led manufacturers, last time I searched for MarsHydro data and it's so discouragingly confusing that I would never consider buying anything from them. Sadly also GN don't provide with such measurements, but I'm sure once the light gets on the US market, someone will do it and post a video
Like what the MonsterGarden guys do, that's a really good practice.
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LOL! My lights are better then your lights..... It amazes me in this day and age with the vast amount of information out there for all to see people can still be so close minded to different techs.
I don't know the exact science but my 300 watt MarsHydro reflector 170- 200 actual watt produces more then enough bud for me to get from one finished grow to the next. About 6 ounces in a 3'x4'x5' box, and it only cost $180.00. Isn't that what it all about anyway? Now I'm not to sure like I said about the science but the math adds up. Do I know there's better out there? Yes I do. But at the end of the day I am high as fuck off of my cheap not as good as Leds.
I don't know the exact science but my 300 watt MarsHydro reflector 170- 200 actual watt produces more then enough bud for me to get from one finished grow to the next. About 6 ounces in a 3'x4'x5' box, and it only cost $180.00. Isn't that what it all about anyway? Now I'm not to sure like I said about the science but the math adds up. Do I know there's better out there? Yes I do. But at the end of the day I am high as fuck off of my cheap not as good as Leds.
LEDs that are cheap but from reputable manufacturers are very effective. Think Cidly and Mars lights...
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