Coir OK with DTE and AN ?

[AutoNM3]

I’ve been growing for about a year and have had trial and error issues all the way through it. But I am seeing on the Youtube and also reading some on forums that people are wanting to try Coco with Down To Earth since the place that the YouTube guy uses will not ship to America. i’m sure we all know who that guy is. I had the same question and I am considering the 4-4-4 blend of theirs for starters but I will also be thinking about amending with AN’s line such as Sensizym, Big Bud, Overdrive, and a root product like Roots Excelerator or Tarantula/Voodoo. If all said is used correctly should I also add a top dressing flower base nutrient like someone’s 2-8-4 or maybe Dr. earths flower girl ?
I live in the south we have hard water around 160 ppm’s.
Thanks to anyone who can field this question.

 

[Olderfart]

I’ve been growing for about a year and have had trial and error issues all the way through it. But I am seeing on the Youtube and also reading some on forums that people are wanting to try Coco with Down To Earth since the place that the YouTube guy uses will not ship to America. i’m sure we all know who that guy is. I had the same question and I am considering the 4-4-4 blend of theirs for starters but I will also be thinking about amending with AN’s line such as Sensizym, Big Bud, Overdrive, and a root product like Roots Excelerator or Tarantula/Voodoo. If all said is used correctly should I also add a top dressing flower base nutrient like someone’s 2-8-4 or maybe Dr. earths flower girl ?
I live in the south we have hard water around 160 ppm’s.
Thanks to anyone who can field this question.

Coir is in essence a hydroponic medium. If you treat it like soil, you are heading for trouble. You have to supply all nutes, and you have to buffer the coir ahead of time if it is not already buffered to prevent it locking up Calcium and Magnesium. And, you probably have to add extra Cal Mag of some sort during the grow regardless of buffering. I don't know anything specific about most of the products you list, but the bottom line is that if they are capable of feeding a hydroponic setup, they can be made to work with coco. Your tap water may or may not work well with the nutes you choose. 160ppm is pretty high, and to me seems likely to mess with results. The coco for cannabis dot com site recommends staying away from anything as high as 150ppm.

If you don't already own the AN line, there are better places to spend your money in my opinion, like Megacrop for example. Do your homework before diving into coir, it works extremely well, but you have to play by its rules. Coco for Cannabis dot com is a great site if you are thinking of growing with coir.

 

[Bigg Al]

IDK, that's mr Canucks and his gia green amendments. Haven't seen anyone else have good grows with that other than him. I'm a soil guy.

 

[Proph]

I’ve been growing for about a year and have had trial and error issues all the way through it. But I am seeing on the Youtube and also reading some on forums that people are wanting to try Coco with Down To Earth since the place that the YouTube guy uses will not ship to America. i’m sure we all know who that guy is. I had the same question and I am considering the 4-4-4 blend of theirs for starters but I will also be thinking about amending with AN’s line such as Sensizym, Big Bud, Overdrive, and a root product like Roots Excelerator or Tarantula/Voodoo. If all said is used correctly should I also add a top dressing flower base nutrient like someone’s 2-8-4 or maybe Dr. earths flower girl ?
I live in the south we have hard water around 160 ppm’s.
Thanks to anyone who can field this question.

You need to pick a grow style that works for you, and that you fully understand. I wouldn't go with what's popular on forums. I say this because in the example you gave, you were wanting to use dry organic amendments... And supplement with synthetics (Advanced Nutrients).. Then adding a top dress of dry organics for flower. You need to pick a grow style.. Either organic.. Or bottles... Either soil.. Or coco coir.. Like Mr. OF mentioned.. Coco works like hydro. I don't know anyone in hydro using dry amendments.. Dry organic amendments need time to break down before the nutrients are made available. That defeats the purpose of hydro. Synthetic bottled nutes are immediately available. It's like an IV line straight into the veins of the plant. No break down, no waiting. Soil has organic matter in it that will feed the plant while dry amendments break down.. Think of dry amendments as being "slow release".. Coco and soil are completely different worlds. You may want to read up on coco coir and how it works and differs from soil... Coco has no nutritional food for the plant. It's up to you to supply EVERYTHING. The margin for error with coco is paper thin. If you want to use dry organics.. Use soil.. If you want to use bottled nutrients then you can use soil or coco.. But not coco with both dry organics and bottles..

 

[AutoWonders]

You can try Bush Doctor (Fox Farm) Coco Loco. It's amended and you don't need nutes for the first few weeks.

 

[Olderfart]

I’ve been growing for about a year and have had trial and error issues all the way through it. But I am seeing on the Youtube and also reading some on forums that people are wanting to try Coco with Down To Earth since the place that the YouTube guy uses will not ship to America. i’m sure we all know who that guy is. I had the same question and I am considering the 4-4-4 blend of theirs for starters but I will also be thinking about amending with AN’s line such as Sensizym, Big Bud, Overdrive, and a root product like Roots Excelerator or Tarantula/Voodoo. If all said is used correctly should I also add a top dressing flower base nutrient like someone’s 2-8-4 or maybe Dr. earths flower girl ?
I live in the south we have hard water around 160 ppm’s.
Thanks to anyone who can field this question.

What @Proph said, in spades. You best choose your technique - mixing them leads to trouble more often than otherwise, especially with new growers. Lots of grows here have gone off the rails because of trying to mix a soil approach with coco, particularly trying to go organic or semi organic with coco. If you want to try coco, think hydroponics, not organics. If you want to go with organics, my advice is stick with soil. I don't grow organic, at least not yet, but the problem I often see come up here is the assumption that relatively small pots with organic soil will feed an entire grow sufficiently. Often they will not, and if you are not ready to supplement when the need arises, i.e. you don't have all the potentially needed organic supplements ready and waiting in your kit, you get into trouble before the necessary supplies can be had.

Whatever you decide, there is lots of friendly expert advice available here, and someone will always be glad to try to help out. Good luck with your grow, whatever technique you settle on.

 

[nizmoKush]

You can try Bush Doctor (Fox Farm) Coco Loco. It's amended and you don't need nutes for the first few weeks.

Yeah coco loco Is good stuff so far and first time using it. It's a soil tho instead of sphagnum peat moss(happy frog), they used coco(coco loco). So perfect for either bottle or dry nutes.

 

[AutoNM3]

What @Proph said, in spades. You best choose your technique - mixing them leads to trouble more often than otherwise, especially with new growers. Lots of grows here have gone off the rails because of trying to mix a soil approach with coco, particularly trying to go organic or semi organic with coco. If you want to try coco, think hydroponics, not organics. If you want to go with organics, my advice is stick with soil. I don't grow organic, at least not yet, but the problem I often see come up here is the assumption that relatively small pots with organic soil will feed an entire grow sufficiently. Often they will not, and if you are not ready to supplement when the need arises, i.e. you don't have all the potentially needed organic supplements ready and waiting in your kit, you get into trouble before the necessary supplies can be had.

Whatever you decide, there is lots of friendly expert advice available here, and someone will always be glad to try to help out. Good luck with your grow, whatever technique you settle on.

OK well what if I put together a lighter-than-heavier well-drained ‘soil’ like this:
use Coco simply to amend another soil such as Baccto(local) or Kellogg’s(Lowe’s)or Fox Farm(my gosh,yes) with also 10% black cow or other compost(for microbiological content) —-then add in the DownToEarth.——-
And 20% added perlite ........?
And then WHAT would I add ( like boosters) at those “opportune” times when specific amounts of ‘x’,’y’,’z’ are needed?

 

[AutoWonders]

Yeah coco loco Is good stuff so far and first time using it. It's a soil tho instead of sphagnum peat moss(happy frog), they used coco(coco loco). So perfect for either bottle or dry nutes.

Coco Loco is coco, it just has amendments and Fox Farm says to treat it like soil via a higher ph range than straight coco and water less than straight coco. I've run Coco Loco at 5.8-6.1 a bunch of times. Of late I am sticking to their 6.3-6.8 ph and watering less.

 

[AutoNM3]

Coco Loco is coco, it just has amendments and Fox Farm says to treat it like soil via a higher ph range than straight coco and water less than straight coco. I've run Coco Loco at 5.8-6.1 a bunch of times. Of late I am sticking to their 6.3-6.8 ph and watering less.

So that says to me that is doing the same thing as my idea(Mr.Canuck’s actually) in keeping w/the ‘broken-down dry-amendments plus coco and perlite’ thing,then huh??
Now that I’ve heard you guys talk I can see perfectly how I was misled.......AND almost the same that it WILL work(?).
if one can dry amend with those exact items in nature that can give our beloved plant ‘exactly the forms of exactly the things it needs’ (so check the labels on all) like worm castings/bat guano, seaweed extract, seabird guano, bone meal, langbeinite,dolomite,azomite,,sulfate of potash, kelp meal, and something (PLEASE SOME SUGGESTION!!) for those micros. (??)
But then that would just be super soil wouldn’t it? I’m not giving up!