Mephisto Genetics Coffee Monster brews some Mephisto with an Amare SolarPRO 400

Thanks @water farm and @archie gemmill !

I'm still not sure I've got it Archie, but I've been pondering on it for months. A test strip I got said my city water was well above seven but I didn't think much about it at the time. The problems happen in bloom when the girls are drinking much more and the in-pot ph was occasionally caught above seven. And the girls have just been getting way too much cal mag for this many deficiencies in my book which suggested lock out. And @Waira stresses the importance of ph's role in grow problems so...
And proofs in the pudding! No probs this grow with any plants (so far) except for Fantasmo periodically tryin to throw a mag def. So...
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when you spell it out,it makes perfect sense i spose.in pot ph climbing slowly throughout the grow,and the knock on effect that has.
and as for Waira having read some of the stuff from the infirmary,not only has he got a luminous green thumb but a sixth sense and x ray vision.
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Hey Coffee :toke:
Soil pH is on the high side, likely from too much lime, and all the Ca-Mg inputs...keep in mind, the carbonates from the Ca-Mg will also make the soil pH stay on the high end, and stubbornly resist adjusting down,... fortunately, the things that lockout first in this range and higher (Fe, Zn, Mn..) aren't showing,... symptoms look mostly P defc. related, maybe some K, but are atypical...mixed issues will muddy individual defc. symptoms! ...But the trouble is, with the chaos of the "mild super-" soil, mixed nutes and supp's, organic and inorganic, I can't tell what's f'ing up what,... :eek1: .. that it hits during transition is a hint-- a change in the plants needs, and a cumulative nute input issue maybe with this mixed-bag and schedule,... I have no way of assessing how much of each nute elements have gone in! It's a nute snarl in there, when it's better to KISS until you have better skills and more experience with nute' and soil tinkering,... A TDS/EC reading of run-off (from watering only) may help determine if you have too much stuff in there, borderline toxicity, and it's messing with uptake,... I see some mild nute burn symptoms....N-tox from earlier,... Only blanket solution I can think of is to flush with low ppm water, not pure RO/Di, but less than say 50ppm,... adding a little Ca-Mg to RO/Di is okay,... but measure the run-off ppm's as you go to see how well they drop,... :goodluck:
 
Thanks @Waira
I'm slowly KISSing it. Have gone pretty much exclusively to tangs AN easy sched and distilled/RO. Sorry about the muddiness of the situation, the soils gonna need looking at I know. I am still using Botanicare cal mag and occasionally Botanicare silica. (And recharge.). I now realize after reading your post I may have to end up just making up a new batch of KISS soil or buying something appropriate.

I did not realize the ca could add to the problem like that - learned something today.

I'm much happier with the way things are going except I'm at a loss as to why the fantasmos keep trying to go into mag def when I see no such issues with all the other girls. Some epsoms seems to temporarily alleviate it.

Anyway thanks for having a look, really appreciate your input.

Maybe you can come have a look again when things are settled down in this simpler system.
There isn't much to see now anyway as the grow I stopped regular updates on has only the one set of pics I think.
 
:vibe:Oh and thanks for confirming my suspicion I added too much lime as a factor

And the Accurate 8 reccomendation too!
 
Well, I think I'm gonna bump those ph and EC pens up the acquire list. Not sure how to boost p/k with what I have unless I bump up the overdrive, maybe I need to get some mammoth p or a p/k only additive? We'll have to see...
 
:pass:well, it's not a certainty mate,.. how much lime did you put in, and what kind? Lime is unusual, in that it won't raise the pH above 7-ish either, but this is a generalization... type of lime makes a big difference, and it's grain size,. near powder vs. sandy+ in size, large is slower to release,...pH condition will later this as well,.. and if it's dolomite, that's the slowest of all forms, as it's chemistry is a little different from, say, Ag' lime/garden lime which are mainly CaCO3, variable MgCO3, or "oyster shell", which is actually straight CaCO3 talek from marine deposits,... man-made stuff may be a mix of slow and fast release forms,... I'm still learning about Ca issues too, and it's been suspect in other cases at Sick Bay... I know it can become toxic at some point, but I can't find any info about specifics there,... whatever it is, it's very high, and before it became so, the amount of whatever is put in would FUBAR the pH way before then (carbonate/bicarbonate are the anions that are involved with pH buffering),.. however, at lower levels, but still "too much", it interferes with other cations uptake,...
the Botanicare supp's are fine, just be aware of all the sources of inputs for things like Ca, K ,N,.. many have "hidden" sources, like some Ca-Mg having nitrate sourced ingredients vs. carbonate,...Si is usually compounded with K,... your Ca-Mg is a loaded product with micronutes and several other things, a nice all-in-one product,... just mind the epsoms amounts, it's pure salt, MgSO4, as we talk about loading the soil with stuff, tip burn, etc.,... foliar is a good way to go for that. Soil dosing is 1tsp/qt, half that for foliar,...
Tools man! :thumbsup: right one's for the right jobs,... pH meter for liquids, probe for in-pot measurements, TDS/EC to measure water hardness, nute concentration, run-off salt load,... not something needed every day, but the info it gives governs other things,... if you run synthetic nutes, managing your inputs for pH before going in will go a long way to keeping soil pH stable! ... Mammoth P is a specialized inoculant, not a P source,.. and if your soil is salt loaded or badly off pH, it'll harm the entire herd, including Mammoth P's,... A PK booster is fine Coffee, but you're running blind here, and if the soil is nute/salt loaded already, adding more PK will make matters worse, not better,... hence the blanket flush fix! then, you can add more in gradually,... right now we don't know exactly what the problem is,..
 
Yes I am with @Waira and a good flushing is in order to "reset" your soil And getting the pH back into a good range.
 
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