Calling out bad Autoflower genetics/actors

[Waira]

Ah, I see that! ... careful here my man, the noob's may pick your brains clean out if they find out how learned you are about auto's!

 

[Waira]

This is one of the more interesting anomalies I've seen!
SHD, I recall some chats about her and others,... regrets that I'm booked this season Brock, coulda woulda shoulda

 

[Bob's Auto's]

This is one of the more interesting anomalies I've seen!
SHD, I recall some chats about her and others,... regrets that I'm booked this season Brock, coulda woulda shoulda

That's a polyploid ain't it?

 

[brock1]

That's a polyploid ain't it?

Its not polyploid. I believe its actually the result of the sonic the hedgehog gene. Yes believe it or not geneticists called a old dominant gene they discovered the sonic the hedgehog gene. It was first found in fruit flies. Its the same gene that can cause humans to have extra fingers and toes.

This is one of the more interesting anomalies I've seen!
SHD, I recall some chats about her and others,... regrets that I'm booked this season Brock, coulda woulda shoulda

This isn't Short hazey days mate. Its a ancestor on 1 side of the Short hazey day's line. These became know as the Northern freak week.

Ah, I see that! ... careful here my man, the noob's may pick your brains clean out if they find out how learned you are about auto's!

Ho lets hope they dont pick to hard. Sometimes I struggle to get the thing working already

 

[brock1]

@Bob's Auto's here is a example of a plant were the sonic gene as been selected. This auto was never topped or trained in anyway. Its all pretty much random branches as a result. A type of self lollipop growth plant.

 

[jdsworld]

one of my frustrations with this forum is people seem afraid to piss off the major companies or to stir the pot.
I am going to state it simply so people stop covering up for them. I agree bad actors and cheap breeders need to be called out.

Facts are this: Fastbuds does not take their lines past f1 almost never. almost none of their strains where ever developed past the initial run and no f4's f5's etc exist of their strains. they simply take sick genetics already made by others and then make them auto as fast as possible. with that said, i have gotten many good grows out of fastbuds strains. Zkittlez in particular is one that seems to do amazing no matter what you do to it. but i give more of the credit for how zkittlez comes out to where they got the original cuts from, not from any "work" fastbuds is doing. obv you are going to get some winners when you take amazing stuff and then convert it to auto. there is nothing original about what they are doing.
I am not saying not to purchase, just be aware that you are getting f1s almost always and something that was not selected across time. i am not knocking them although i wish they would just be honest about what they are doing and how they are doing it and their prices should reflect such.

As for anyone ever calling chefanna anything other than a hyped up basement salesman, i lose all respect. the audacity to call him a breeder???? what is wrong with you guys. All chefanna did was buy a bunch of mephisto crosses in bulk and then sprinkle pollen around. hes not even that much of a grower, to even speak his name as a breeder just makes me spit out my coca cola all over the screen. Hes his own best hype man, not much substance beyond that. He used to post and talk about all he wants to do is help people yet he has done nothing to help those in his local state get access to medicine. hes just about money and isn't even good at hiding that.

as for autoflower breeders that take their lines across multiple iterations and look for and lock in certain desirable traits, then you can look at companies like ronin, mephisto, nightowl, darkhorse etc... these strains will be stable and produce similiar results time and time again.

with that said what is the huge difference? mainly quality and less variance. also much less stress type problems like herms and foxtailing, mutations etc..

 

[Rasterman]

one of my frustrations with this forum is people seem afraid to piss off the major companies or to stir the pot.
I am going to state it simply so people stop covering up for them. I agree bad actors and cheap breeders need to be called out.

Facts are this: Fastbuds does not take their lines past f1 almost never. almost none of their strains where ever developed past the initial run and no f4's f5's etc exist of their strains. they simply take sick genetics already made by others and then make them auto as fast as possible. with that said, i have gotten many good grows out of fastbuds strains. Zkittlez in particular is one that seems to do amazing no matter what you do to it. but i give more of the credit for how zkittlez comes out to where they got the original cuts from, not from any "work" fastbuds is doing. obv you are going to get some winners when you take amazing stuff and then convert it to auto. there is nothing original about what they are doing.
I am not saying not to purchase, just be aware that you are getting f1s almost always and something that was not selected across time. i am not knocking them although i wish they would just be honest about what they are doing and how they are doing it and their prices should reflect such.

As for anyone ever calling chefanna anything other than a hyped up basement salesman, i lose all respect. the audacity to call him a breeder???? what is wrong with you guys. All chefanna did was buy a bunch of mephisto crosses in bulk and then sprinkle pollen around. hes not even that much of a grower, to even speak his name as a breeder just makes me spit out my coca cola all over the screen. Hes his own best hype man, not much substance beyond that. He used to post and talk about all he wants to do is help people yet he has done nothing to help those in his local state get access to medicine. hes just about money and isn't even good at hiding that.

as for autoflower breeders that take their lines across multiple iterations and look for and lock in certain desirable traits, then you can look at companies like ronin, mephisto, nightowl, darkhorse etc... these strains will be stable and produce similiar results time and time again.

with that said what is the huge difference? mainly quality and less variance. also much less stress type problems like herms and foxtailing, mutations etc..

Hear, hear! I've gotten a lot more careful sourcing seeds after being burned too many times.

 

[DoobieGrows]

Let me start by acknowledging that I realize this could turn into a shitshow, so I have no problem having this thread closed if needed, but I can't think of a better place to post this very serious question/issue. Perhaps it's been raised before. It's certainly not new news.

So a few days ago, as Darkhorse Genetics and Night Owl spin up their Dark Owl collabs, DHG made a post about "fake autoflower breeders" on IG, which was quickly moderated into nothingness, within an hour. In that post, he said there are essentially two types of autoflower breeder/seller right now: 1. The banks using a white label or shortcut seedstock and calling it whatever... Auto Gelato, Auto Runtz, Auto Bruce Banner #3 (his point of contention, obviously), etc. and 2. Small breeders showing their work and making craft-quantity runs of true auto genetics.

I'd recently purchased a couple seed packs I was less than 100% sure on, specifically FastBuds' Auto Chemdawg (red flag in the spelling, of course) and Barney's Runtz. I asked DHG/Jason in a DM if he thought I got took, to which he replied "Yeah - don't get too upset about it but yeah".

So, here's my question: what are the collective thoughts here on less-than-100%-verified auto genetics? I know small breeders like Mephisto, Night Owl, Mando, Brother Mendel Selections, etc show or describe their breeding efforts to F4 for fems, but what about the others? Is it time to start calling out breeders (and by extension seed banks) selling fake or subpar autos, or do we continue to let new growers get ripped off and let autoflowers' reputation continue to struggle? To be honest, I'm pretty salty to have bought possibly not-real auto genetics from a very lauded seed bank, who also sells quality auto genetics.

I for one intend to at some point show my work and run this Auto Chemdawg right next to a CDLC or ideally Chemdogging, to show the phenotypical differences between those two autos, at least. I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this, though. As legalization spreads and noobs roll in here and other spaces just like we did, this problem will continue to grow and the scammers will continue to profit. Just my thoughts this morning.

Anyone care to disagree? Am I missing something obvious here?

I have 2 Fastbuds Chemdawg that are outperforming both Mephisto Genetics Hubbabubbahaze/Livers Bx1 and Darkowl BB#3 so I would not count those beans out already. The master in the center is the Chemdawg

 

[CannabisMingus]

of my frustrations with this forum is people seem afraid to piss off the major companies or to stir the pot.

I disagree. I think AFN - as a whole - promotes transparent communications. I certainly don't give a Fiddler's F about pissing off any major companies, and those who post often I believe have the same mind set.
IMHO.

The rest of your post is well-taken.

 

[olbobcat]

one of my frustrations with this forum is people seem afraid to piss off the major companies or to stir the pot.
I am going to state it simply so people stop covering up for them. I agree bad actors and cheap breeders need to be called out.

Facts are this: Fastbuds does not take their lines past f1 almost never. almost none of their strains where ever developed past the initial run and no f4's f5's etc exist of their strains. they simply take sick genetics already made by others and then make them auto as fast as possible. with that said, i have gotten many good grows out of fastbuds strains. Zkittlez in particular is one that seems to do amazing no matter what you do to it. but i give more of the credit for how zkittlez comes out to where they got the original cuts from, not from any "work" fastbuds is doing. obv you are going to get some winners when you take amazing stuff and then convert it to auto. there is nothing original about what they are doing.
I am not saying not to purchase, just be aware that you are getting f1s almost always and something that was not selected across time. i am not knocking them although i wish they would just be honest about what they are doing and how they are doing it and their prices should reflect such.

As for anyone ever calling chefanna anything other than a hyped up basement salesman, i lose all respect. the audacity to call him a breeder???? what is wrong with you guys. All chefanna did was buy a bunch of mephisto crosses in bulk and then sprinkle pollen around. hes not even that much of a grower, to even speak his name as a breeder just makes me spit out my coca cola all over the screen. Hes his own best hype man, not much substance beyond that. He used to post and talk about all he wants to do is help people yet he has done nothing to help those in his local state get access to medicine. hes just about money and isn't even good at hiding that.

as for autoflower breeders that take their lines across multiple iterations and look for and lock in certain desirable traits, then you can look at companies like ronin, mephisto, nightowl, darkhorse etc... these strains will be stable and produce similiar results time and time again.

with that said what is the huge difference? mainly quality and less variance. also much less stress type problems like herms and foxtailing, mutations etc..

I would say on AFN there a lot more people running Mephisto gear than fastbudz. Before Mephisto went to drops on Monday there was a constant panic, especially from the newbies. I run a lot of different seeds. I have ran Chef Anna, Mephisto, Roc, Nightowl, Fastbuds, twenty20, Dutch Passion, Barneys farm, Twisted Tree, Ronin, Gnome, ETC. Yes, I would there are different phenos in them all. I actually don't thinks some of the major companies get enough credit. Everybody is into boutique brands.
If fastbuds were crap I would not continue to grow them. It is not like I don't have a hundred packs of different growers' seeds. I would also say that there are a lot of people that tend to blame genetics instead of themselves when problems arise. Also, I don't know enough about fastbuds to knock them. Just because they are F1 does not mean that they are not done properly. F1 is very common in vegetable seeds. They control the parents carefully. Just be happy to live in a time with so much selection that you can grow whatever you want. Gone are the days of having to grow bagseed or something they told you was AK47.[/QUOTE]