New Grower Best of the Best: Dutch Breeders

@hal8999
Of course these people run their companies, I'm telling you these companies mostly work in a different way most of us believe.
I don't believe Arjan or Ben or most of the commercial seedbank magnates are actually proper breeders, well of course there are exceptions like Soma and some others.
Also I don't consider pollen chuckers to be equal to breeders in any case, working with cuts is not breeding, true breeding requires working with lots of plants for selection and knowing everything about every step in the breeding process of every strain.
When I talk with breeders I'm amazed of the depth of their knowledge and dedication to the plants they work with.
And I don't see any of that in most seedbanks listed here, not revealing anything except commercial talk to the seed buyers.

In the end, believe anything you wish, it's your money anyway.

Cheers
 
Balarama said:
@hal8999
Of course these people run their companies, I'm telling you these companies mostly work in a different way most of us believe.
I don't believe Arjan or Ben or most of the commercial seedbank magnates are actually proper breeders, well of course there are exceptions like Soma and some others.
Also I don't consider pollen chuckers to be equal to breeders in any case, working with cuts is not breeding, true breeding requires working with lots of plants for selection and knowing everything about every step in the breeding process of every strain.
When I talk with breeders I'm amazed of the depth of their knowledge and dedication to the plants they work with.
And I don't see any of that in most seedbanks listed here, not revealing anything except commercial talk to the seed buyers.

In the end, believe anything you wish, it's your money anyway.

Cheers
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HOnestly I never saw it from this perspective, and I didn't even realize that this was the way this business runs. So there has to be some real breeders in the list no? In hindsight I suppose I should have named the title "Best Dutch Breeders/Strains/Companies"
For me honestly I don't care where or who breeds the seed, all I want is quality in my strains. Dutch passion has come through very well with strains personally, and my good buddy has had tremendous success using Bomb Seeds.
 
Balarama I do not understand why you say that Arjan and Ben are not true breeders. They developed the techniques of using landrace genetics to create stable hybrids. Those two have the deepest genetic stocks around. These guys are responsible for white widow, Jack Herrer, Nevilles Haze and so many classic strains. That is like saying P. Allen Smith is not a horticulturist.
 
I'm not saying what you're saying Hal.
Arjan for example is not working the lines himself, he has Franco and others to take care of crosses and keeping mothers alive.
There are MANY other people who traveled the world up and down from the 70s and collected many landraces and worked cultivars, from the tropics and other areas, risking their lives many times(Thailand, Africa, PNG, Himalayas...) to get some precious seeds.
The landrace hype we see today was created by Arjan and his media group precisely because he and other Dutch "breeders" know the lines they hold are watered down and not so good anymore, they count on fresh genes from other sources to boost their own seed production and sales. If you don't know, there are some seedmakers(RealSeedCompany, Cannabiogen, Ace, OriginalDelicatessen, TropicalSeeds, USC...) which offered landraces and landrace based lines for a decade or more ago...depends which one in particular.

For example the WW, Nevils Haze, JH and so on, these are products of many hands, there's not a single person who can take credit for them, often they do take credit because it boosts sells and makes good promotion for the seedbank.
We know for fact the seeds of the old dutch strains are not the same strains anymore, been that way since 99 at least when most original mother plants were raided by police in netherlands.
The WW and JH were recreated to be similar to the originals, JH has so many phenos that nobody knows which is the "original". There never was an original JH, it's an isolated population of SSH which was bred by many before Shantibaba. To take a piece of a strain and call it another strain is what these people do, and then sell the seeds for high bucks. JH's name is a market magnet.

I know most of you don't care about who bred the lines, as long as the seeds make nice nugs.
But I and many others do care a lot, mostly because of respect towards the people who made huge efforts of heart to put together a nice strain to their liking.

Take Blueberry and its history. DJ's creation became a "whore strain" for many seedbanks and the original breeder doesn't get a cent out of his creation beimg sold by other sellers. Maybe some fame yes, but that doesn't help when you need to eat.
Also WW, there are so many stories and arguments between Arjan and Shantibaba that it becomes embarassing knowing the strain was there before they named it that way.

So the bottom line is...don't just believe anything you read on advertising spaces. If you're interested, do some thorough research and put the puzzle together, there's a lot of proper info floating on the net.

Cheers
 
Dutchbreed have been around for years and also have been producing Auto's for over seven years to my reckoning . One of their main problems was not having enough exposure,even though they had a website for years, it took rather a lot of random searching to find accidentally stumble on their website -not really the best business model to use.
They now no longer have a dedicated website and instead have opted for selling their strain via seed distributors such as "Weedworldwide.com".
Alternatively copy the name of the strain you like add Dutchbreed after the strain name and hit enter and google it. I think that the "Seed Boutique" also sells Dutchgrown seeds.

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pic of there old website front page


Dutch Breed

Stealth packaging available free of charge.

Dutch Breed provides high quality cannabis seeds. Dutch Breed is a collective of the very best breeders from all the best seedbanks in the netherlands . Dutch Breed breeders have kept the best genetics to be able to bring you the very best quality of cannabis seeds that technology can bring full of flavor, high in THC and good germination rate. All our cannabis seeds are imported fresh from our breeders in Holland or Switzerland to our distributor in the UK then stored in hermetically sealed bags in a temperature controlled environment.

DutchBreed

Cannabis Seeds by DutchBreed


Strains
This Strain list was copied and pasted from - http://www.weedworldwide.com/seeds/dutchbreed/


Aurora Polaris


Aurora Polaris is an f1 hybrid of a special pheno of Afghan, Northern Lights and LowRyder. Aurora Polaris stays short to medium and produces heavy thick dense colas. This plant has exceptional resin production and the buds are dense. Aurora Polaris produces a deep, turkish hashish, aroma and a nice indica buzz. This strain is potent indeed.

Flowering Weeks: 7/8
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 300 grams (in ideal conditions)

V2 Rocket


V2 is a truly superior Skunk hybrid. with very heavy buds, making it ideal for the commercial grower. V2 is quick flowering with huge buds thanks to its ruderalis genetics. V2 has a very sweet fruity taste and produces a cerebral high that will hit you like a rocket.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Medium/Strong 12-18%
Yield per plant: 380 grams (in ideal conditions)

Sunrise Dew


Sunrise Dew is a mix of sativa, indica and ruderalis giving it its unique flavor usually takes on a nice sativa cross indica appearance, medium short and bushy with medium large leaves. This plants tricomes look almost like the morning dew and has great all-around taste. Sunrise Dew works well with most growing systems and is easy to clone and very hardy.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 15-22%
Yield per plant: 300 grams (in ideal conditions)

Karakoram Kush


Karakoram Kush is a strong indica brought back from the rugged Karakoram Kush mountains where it shares its name. Karakoram Kush stays short to medium dark leaves with thick stems and dense buds. The smoke has a fantastic kush taste and is heavy in oils and thc.

Flowering Weeks: 7/8
THC level: Strong 15-22%
Yield per plant: 350 grams (in ideal conditions)

Himalayan Monster


Himalayan Monster is easy to cultivate and clone, This plant shows good flower to leaf ratio making it ideal for a commercial crop, Himalayan Monster original gentics came from near Shyok Rivers in the Himalayas and we have selectively back crossed it with some secret dutch genetics giving it high thc, a nice skunky taste and heavy yield.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 380 grams (in ideal conditions)

Melon Collieherb


Melon Collieherb is a disease resistant LowRyder, Papaya and Russian Rudaralis cross, vegetative growth is fast we had enougth to put them into flower at 3 weeks from seed. Melon Collieherb is a oily indica staying low and dense, very suitable for sea of green gardens as well as all other methods. Melon Collieherb has an exotic tropical taste of melon and alcohol its almost a narcotic feeling.

Flowering Weeks: 8
THC level: Strong 18-23%

Yield per plant: 350 grams (in ideal conditions)

Ishvara


Ishvara has genetics from Cashmere at the foot of the Himalayas giving it an exotic flavour, stong budds coverd in thc, Ishvara is a indica/sativa mix making it a good easy plant to grow, Ishvara is medium hight, pest resistant and hardy plant.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 15-21%
Yield per plant: 350 grams (in ideal conditions)

Quick Silver


Quick Silver has heavy tricomes covering the budd and leaves giving it a silver appearance, fast flowering , a silky smooth skunk taste to die for hence the name Quick Silver, Quick Silver is a 40% indica 60% sativa mix growing medium hight good yield.

Flowering Weeks: 7/8
THC level: Strong 15-21%
Yield per plant: 350 grams (in ideal conditions)

Skunk Master


Skunk Master was the result of a cross from skunk special and skunk #1 then selectively in breeding a particular pheno over a couple of years has given us the best skunk on the market, Skunk Master is high in thc, nice sweet taste like old school but with power of new very hardy plant you can give it hell and it bounces back very easy to grow.


Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 380 grams (in ideal conditions)

White Wash


White Wash is our version of white widow we chose only the best genetics and phenos to bring you the ultimate widow, White Wash certainly lives up to its name glistening white budds very heavy hitting pungent sweet taste and aroma leaving you stoned but with a sativa high.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 380 grams (in ideal conditions)

Autum Fall


Autum Fall is a cross of northen lights, hawaii and lowryder that was inbred to bring out the long pistels and fruity taste of lowryder and hawaii combined with the high of northen lights, high in thc and a good yeild this plant would be ideal for the pro but also is easy to grow for beginners to, Autum Fall tastes of ripended fruit very nice indeed.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 320 grams upto 700 outside (in ideal conditions)

Brazilian Pineapple


Brazilian Pineapple produces relatively smooth smoke, exotic pineapple flavour, and a strong physical up high, Brazilian Pineapple was created from a wild brazilian strain crossed with a dutch skunk giving shorter flowering times and a sweet taste, Brazilian Pineapple is high in thc with nice sticky budds, Good for green house growing mainly sativa.

Flowering Weeks: 7/8
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 300 grams upto 500 outside (in ideal conditions)

Crude Oil


Crude Oil is exstreemly strong in thc it realy will knock most out in one, Crude Oil grows fat big sticky oily buds that when touched leave your fingers coated in oil thats hard to wash off, good flower to bud ratio with heavy cover of tricks smells and tasts spicy and fruity at the same time. Crude Oil is 60% sativa 40% indica.

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 18-25%
Yield per plant: 320 grams upto 600 outside (in ideal conditions)

Hazy Daze


Hazy Daze has been selectively inbred to achive a super fast flowering plant of grade A quality. Flowers apear only 7 days after switching to 12/12 and form dense, extreamly sticky buds in the fastest time. The flowering period only lasts for 45 days (6weeks) at which point all the flowers have ripend and swolen and are ready to harvest. Hazy Daze are very uniform and grow into one huge terminal bud and little side branching makeing this strain ideal for the sea of green method, Taste is Skunky and slightly fruity, yield is average the high is knockout, This strain is a 50/50 sativa indica mix of a short to medium height.

Flowering Weeks: 6/7
THC level: Strong 15-21%
Yield per plant: 280 grams upto 500 outside (in ideal conditions)

Indian Morning Haze


Indian Morning Haze grows well outdoor or indoor and has good covering of thc even in colder climates withstanding low temperatures and is pest resistant. Indian Morning Haze stays low even outside ideal in the garden. Indian Morning Haze gives that rich ground coffee scent when cured, Indian Morning Haze is a mostly Indica strain giving a nice high and body buzz.

Flowering Weeks: 8
THC level: Strong 15-21%
Yield per plant: 300 grams upto 600 outside (in ideal conditions)

Afghan Mazar


Our Mazar Afghani comes from stock sent to us from a friend in the military while serving in north Afghanistan near the Mazar I Sherif region. We have inbred selected offspring in order to stabilize a variation in plant height. Mazar Afghani is medium height plant with heavy side branching. The flowers are dense and hard and Carry a thick, greasy covering of Trichs. This strain grows easy so would suit a beginner, although sure to keep expert growers happy as well as the first time grower. This broad leaved indica has a pungent smell so care should be taken with odor control !

Flowering Weeks: 7/8
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 300 grams upto 600 outside (in ideal conditions)

Simply Swiss


Simply Swiss has been developed in switzerland by are swiss breeders , They have bred this plant to withstand cold temperatures and is very mold resistant excerlant for outdoor growing in colder climates , Simply Swiss has a very good flower to leaf ratio and medium covering of tricks giving a nice skunky high , Simply Swiss is 50% sativa 50% indica.

Flowering Weeks: 7/8
THC level: Strong 14-18%
Yield per plant: 320 grams upto 680 outside (in ideal conditions)

Blue Lightning


Blue Lightning is a cross of Blueberry x Lowryder x lowryder x Blueberry, Blue Lightning will flower very quick finishing in 5 to 6 weeks flower, very heavy covering of trichoms from around 2 weeks onwards, Blue Lightning has a good blueberry fruity taste and sweet smell, the plant will stay low to medium and give dense ripe buds 90% indica very heavy hitting this one so be warned hangs on to you till the next day.

This is not a auto flowering its a 12/12 strain

Flowering Weeks: 5/6
THC level: Strong 20-25%
Yield per plant: 90 grams upto 120 (in ideal conditions)

Master Chronic


Master Chronic has bin inbred from the best Serious Seeds chronic mother and father to give this strain the ultimate high and yield with a improved taste over the original, Nice sticky dense buds and easy to clone to.

This is not auto flowering its a 12/12 strain

Flowering Weeks: 8 to 9
THC level: 20 to 24%
Yield per plant: 350 grams upto 650 (in ideal conditions)

Purple Evolution


Purple Evolution , was created by crossing a squat purple indica phenotype skunk #1 mother and a 7 days auto flowering 100% lowryder father that grew very quick and a secret Brazilian strain giving this strain a strong heavy hitting stone and a fruity flavor with a fantastic purple coloring and very heavy covering of trichomes, Purple Evolution will grow with dense purple crystal covered colas, also works well with cfls lighting but will grow around 20 inches if put into flower at 12 inches better to screen grow this with cfls or grow normally with hps.

This is not auto flowering its a 12/12 strain

Flowering Weeks: 8/9
THC level: Strong 18-23%
Yield per plant: 120 grams upto 280 (in ideal conditions)


I still havent grown any of these strain but grow journals can be found with a google search but I would love to try the "Mini Thunderfuck" here are the details of it and it's liniage from seedfinder.eu.

DutchBreed - Mini Thunderfuck

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Mini Thunderfuck is a cross of the only one plant a male of Matanuska Thunderfuck from 1993 that we managed to get to germinate after all them years crossed with our Lowryder Mint female to make it full auto flowering as its bin so long since this rare strain was around we cant tell how much of its traits were carried over to the new auto flowering Mini Thunderfuck as there is nothing to compare it to but we must say its coming along well and as soon as we can tell you more we will update this description.

Seed to harvest: 10 weeks
THC level: Strong 15-20%
Yield per plant: 30 grams upto 50(in ideal conditions)

Strain Lineage / Genealogy

 
I hear you now Balarama. At first I was thinking, they do all the back breeding he mentioned. Yeah genetics are hard to keep stable. Do you know who started Dinafem? They get my vote for best of the best.
 
Hal 8999 said:
I hear you now Balarama. At first I was thinking, they do all the back breeding he mentioned. Yeah genetics are hard to keep stable. Do you know who started Dinafem? They get my vote for best of the best.
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Here'a bit of Dinafem info and history but I can't supply a breeders name who started it, may be they just want to be in the back ground working on new strains, I know that's how I'd like it.


Dinafem Seeds celebrates 10 years


In 2004, the seeds used by most growers in the world were regular seeds, that is male and female, the males being pulled up when they were identified, which meant losing half of the cultivated plants. Feminized seeds were the solution to this problem, as they allowed growers not to lose half of the plants every time. Knowing they would become really popular in the future, we decided to create a bank that sold feminized cannabis seeds only and we gave it a name that made it clear it specialised in feminized seeds.



Dinafem Seeds' History



The story of how Dinafem Seeds was created is easily told. After accumulating years of experience cultivating cannabis in all its varieties and having enjoying the most interesting strains of the moment as growers, it got to the point where the team behind Dinafem had to experiment and test. Tests were oriented towards the creation of a company and tackling legal issues associated with it... there was still much to be prepared before the first Dinafem seeds were created.

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Around autumn 2002
Dinafem's team took the first steps, with a full year of technical research and the implementation of the operational aspect; cuyltivation areas, documentation and an in-depth study of the botanical aspects of cannabis. Creating feminised seeds, working with selected mother and male plants... these were our first steps, before any results were obtained.

Late 2003
After working for a year, we were ready to prepare and carry out the first experiment to produce feminised seeds. So by late December 2003, the first Power Kush seeds were harvested. It was the first strain we created and, by the end of that year, these Dinafem feminised seeds were ready to be marketed.

January 1st 2005
Another year had gone by, a whole year since we harvested our first commercial seeds. Everything was ready to officially put them on sale. On January 1st 2005, Dinafem Seeds was officially created as a company dedicated to achieving excellence, in all aspects of its products and services. At that time, we were the first professional company dedicated to feminised seeds in Spain, proving that the quality of feminised seeds could be as good as or even better than the "Dutch legends".

During the first years, we started shaping the catalogue of the brand with the first names of our strains that, in those days, were almost unknown: Moby Dick, Critical+, Blue Widow... Since then, we have spent 6 years developing, selecting and improving a wide range of 100% stabilised, standardised and feminised seeds, obtained from some of the best top-quality cannabis strains in the world.

2009-2010
At the end of the first decade of the 21st century, Dinafem was internationally consolidated as a seed bank of recognised quality. Well-known strains such as Cheese, Industrial Plant (based on the famous Northern Lights) and new autoflowering strains were incorporated by the end of 2009.

In 2010, Dinafem featured a record number of varieties: 10 new strains, of which 3 were autoflowering lines. That year, we received widespread recognition when one of our first strains and perhaps the best known of our brand, Moby Dick, was nominated by Soft Secrets readers, as "Girl of the Year 2010". It was five years since Dinafem Seeds was officially founded, and we can proudly say that, thanks to our Moby Dick variety, the award was given to a non-Dutch strain for the first time in history.

2011-2014
Dinafem Seeds is present in all European countries where seeds are sold. Its presence is also increasingly important in the rest of the world and it is regarded as a one of the most prestigious and cutting-edge seed banks with top-notch autoflowering and feminised seeds that are widely appreciated. Throughout this period, it works with new high-quality Californian genetics among which OG Kush, Bubba Kush, Dinachem or Purple Afghan Kush are worth a special mention.

In 2015, Dinafem Seeds celebrates its 10th anniversary, and decides to focus its efforts on the development of CBD-rich strains that are increasingly demanded due to their interesting therapeutic properties.

All these years of research and development have resulted in a catalogue packed with fascinating feminised, autoflowering and medicinal seeds that are all 100% feminized, powerful, productive and stable.



Dinafem was the first bank of feminized seeds to come out in Spain, where quite a dynamic cannabis industry had been born in the late 90’s, an industry that together with that of Holland, has become one of the most developed and widespread of Europe. Moreover, Spain is the country that has driven many of the changes that have taken place in the cultivation and the cannabis world, such as the Cannabis Social Clubs and the autoflowering cannabis seeds, two phenomena that are now being exported to other countries.

As growers for more than 25 years, Dinafem’s development has always been based on the pursuit of quality products, since our aim is to produce seeds that, above all, satisfy us as growers and that result in crops we really enjoy tasting.

It is thanks to this constant pursuit that we have managed to lay the foundations of our business, a collection that includes top-quality genetics from all over the globe.

During the first years, we only worked with elite European genetics −the champion strains in their respective countries, such as Critical+ in Spain and France, Original Amnesia in Holland and Cheesein the UK− and we marketed them in feminized form.

In 2008 we started to focus on developing increasingly better, more potent and tastier autoflowerings, to the point where we have now created a separate catalogue called Autodinafem that specialises in autoflowering strains. This new catalogue is a real source of pride for us, since the modern autoflowerings we have been improving for seven years are now so good that their demand has been steadily increasing and they already represents almost half of our sales.



In the last years we have also been involved in the development of seeds of the best American strains, such as OG Kush, Bubba Kush and Dinachem, which was created from the legendary Chemdog. These genetics are so special and unique that they have resulted in a qualitative leap in our catalogue and allow users all over the world to experience first-hand the most demanded genetics in the USA.

Now we are also working with strains rich in CBD, a kind of seed that is becoming more and more appreciated because of the medicinal properties and that will prove to be an indispensable point of reference for users all over the world.

These four product lines –European, American, Autoflowering and Medicinal– have turned ourcatalogue in one of the most comprehensive seed collection of the world, with options to suit all tastes and needs.

Our immediate goal is to keep innovating and improving so that we can give a professional answer to the challenges of the 21st century, which are none other than the acceptance and the legalization of the cannabis reality in countries and states all over the world. In the next ten years we will work closer with Medical Associations, Cannabis Social Clubs, Foundations, Laboratories, Dispensaries and even with sovereign countries that are currently stablishing their own cannabis production programme.



Also, to celebrate Dinafem’s 10th anniversary, we have updated our corporate image and we have inaugurated our own laboratory fitted with sophisticated technology with which to analyse the cannabinoid and terpene content of each strain and thus improve the quality of the seeds of our catalogue.

Legalization is happening already and we are working and innovating to play a central role in the global change this new scenario will bring about.

From Dinafem we would like to invite you to discover our work hoping that you will enjoy it as much as we do.

We wish you a happy 2015!

Dinafem Team

 
As they say, it's a seed industry.
Also for a seedbank to offer ONLY feminised seeds, brings many questions on breeding techniques. Usually fems are made from cuts or selected plants of some population, which brings narrowing down of genepools of these plants. The same thing happening to every industrial seedmaking approach, dutch, spanish or american.
For the small scale consumer(as we mostly are) it may be a good product thats why so many rave about them.
Good seeds to be sold, not good for further breeding. Meaning growers have to buy fresh seeds instead of making their own.

If it's good enough for the buyer, it's good enough for the industry.

Not good for genetic variation and preservation of traits other than "short flowering, good yield".
 
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