Autos In cocoa

[AutoNM3]

You seem to fàce serious nutrient imbalance. I suggest you get some bottle nutrients àñd flush your plants.

Yes- it seems SO! I have the GH Flora line so are used 1 teaspoon per gallon of micro and gave it to them yesterday. I didn’t know what else to do because that’s all I had and it looks as though it covers a lot of the micro nutrients. It’s just that it has nitrogen in it. I’m just waiting for them to nitrogen burn now I guess.
Anybody REALLY KNOW how much Dr Earth’s 2-2-2 to add to a 5 gal container??
Their blend is only 4 ingredients so the problem is most likely that those 4 are not supplying the proper micros right? I’ve got Roots’ Nitro bat guano,Seabird guano,WC,Uprising Bloom,TErp Tea, I got some Epson salt, dolomite lime,

my order with Amazon got messed Up and they only sent me the nitro bat guano instead of that player pack that has several in it. So I’m waiting on that to get cleared up now

 

[Kinezokyprios]

If you are seriously considering the use of dry organic fertilizer in a medium then you must avoid the NPK 2-2-2 or 4-4-4 and the like. Try to find something around 6-5-10, 7-6-12 or similar. This can be used throughout the grow and it is a balanced fertiliser for flowers and herbs. You will not even need compost teas, kelp and activators/boosters just plain water. General use fertilizer is not a balanced solution for cannabis. In that way you will avoid nutrient imbalances.

 

[Builder0101]

If you are seriously considering the use of dry organic fertilizer in a medium then you must avoid the NPK 2-2-2 or 4-4-4 and the like. Try to find something around 6-5-10, 7-6-12 or similar. This can be used throughout the grow and it is a balanced fertiliser for flowers and herbs. You will not even need compost teas, kelp and activators/boosters just plain water. General use fertilizer is not a balanced solution for cannabis. In that way you will avoid nutrient imbalances.

I like this but what about switching to a 394 or 284 etc for bloom? IMO.

 

[Kinezokyprios]

Potassium must always be equal or higher than phosphorus for a balance to exist in an organic environment. And plants require much lower phosphorus than we think. Adding more doesn't necessarily produce more roots(=flowers). And of course no nitrogen means dead plants.
Let's take for example the liquids of biobizz. Bio bloom is 2-7-4, but their feeding schedule continues to have bio grow which is heavy in nitrogen and potassium in heavy doses up to the very end, so they retain this balance.
If you choose the chemical path then OK you can do that. After all the plant is fed directly and you don't feed the soil instead. But even AN nutrients don't deviate from this balance of elements

 

[Builder0101]

Cool. A little counterintuitive. Good info. Thanks.

 

[Kinezokyprios]

Potassium has to be kept under control also during flowering. If you overdo it the stems will stretch more than they should and internodal gaps will be too big for flowers to fill this space. So instead of a huge cola the stem will have a smaller top cola and lots of smaller (but big enough not to be considered popcorn) buds at the node sites below that.
This is why I am against using heavy PK boosters and I prefer combinations of humic/fulvic acid, aminoacids and seaweed extracts.

 

[Kinezokyprios]

If you have a good base fertiliser or a rich organic soil, the soil is well fed and by maintaining a good ph and temperature/humidity level the plants will utilize the soil nutrients effectively and not only no deficiencies will appear but also nutrient utilisation will be optimum. Perhaps you might not even need to flush in such an organic environment not to mention that the size (and quality) of harvest can be higher than that of a chemically fertilised one, even a hydro one.

 

[Kinezokyprios]

Something important that came to my mind just now as I was flushing five of my plants, about too much phosphorous. If you add too much then your buds will swell and reach a big size, but this will not be from plant matter but mainly water. Once you dry the weed it is very likely that you will have a bad surprise and your buds not only will shrink too much but they would be very fluffy as well. So you have to control the amount of phosphorous you add to your plants.

 

[AutoNM3]

Something important that came to my mind just now as I was flushing five of my plants, about too much phosphorous. If you add too much then your buds will swell and reach a big size, but this will not be from plant matter but mainly water. Once you dry the weed it is very likely that you will have a bad surprise and your buds not only will shrink too much but they would be very fluffy as well. So you have to control the amount of phosphorous you add to your plants.

.......I’ve read all the posts from you. So I was looking towards a deficiency of a micro/secondary Nute......and I’ve given the flowering autos and photos all some dolomitic lime (4tbsp) and Epsom salt(2-3tbsp). I also read that Roots Organics uprising should be applied 1 teaspoon per gal/soil so I gave them that also.
I’ve probably screwed up because it seems they all now the next day have bright fluorescent yellow new growth. They looked fucked. WHAT HAVE I DONE??? I’ve had a hundred good plants to flower last year! What the hell has plagued these poor plants THIS much?? My tap water is almost always in range with ph. This is disheartening. I’ll post some pics. I’ll get some without hps also.
And Mr.Kinezokyprios, I have the Roots Org. dry amendments including the uprising trio....what do YOU think about using a washed and cleaned mix of sphagnum peat/ coco coir/ perlite/ WC.—-you know,instead of having to go all-in and purchase $30 of their ‘Soil’.

 

[Kinezokyprios]

As I wrote the solution now is to flush and start over with a liquid feeding schedule, even if it is not organic. Get the cheapest try pack from any brand and go ahead. The plant's are considered sick and this is the way to cure them at this stage. Also add an aspirin to each plant's water to help it recover.
If you have the Flora line OK use this after the flush in the suggested doses of all the range's products. Dolomite lime I never use because it messes up the ph and takes ages to release magnesium and calcium. If you use a liquid cal Mag there is no need for the Epsom salts. They are a good solution though. If you choose a ready liquid cal Mag prefer the GHE and avoid the AN product because it has an extra N 4, which is too much.
Unfortunately you entered in a vicious cycle of nutrient imbalance and autos are not easy to deal with such a stress.
Next time don't use the same amendments you started with this time . If you want to have a rich medium don't use these universal fertilisers with NPK 2-2-2 or 4-4-4. They are not good for cannabis, they are for the lawn in your garden. Roots organic is as I get it in that category. Get an organic slow release grain fertiliser for roses or strawberries that has NPK values that are around 7-6-12. And crushed seashell powder or granules for an organic source of cal mag. Add 2 table spoons before planting and every 20-30 days add 1 or 2 table spoons depending on the container size. Every 15 days add to your water a bio-activator with humic and fulvic acids and kelp extracts with aminoacids as a bloom booster.
Soil is more forgiving than coco. The best choice is to get a potting soil mix from a gardening store, usually their base is peat and they have extra perlite, coco and compost. You can get 40-80 liters at around 10 euro/dollars. If you can make your own mix then go ahead it is even better. I also don't buy the overrated soils of biobizz (they dominate the market here in Europe, as Fox Farm does in US) because of crap quality and high price. Coco you can reuse, the rest might need amendments. If you want to stick to solely coco it is fine but prefer liquid fertilisers because they act immediately and you can control easier. In such a case prefer either the Biobizz line or the GHE organic one and follow their schedules without deviation.