ok yea i top my plants once and then do some LST and like i said some light defoliation. I have a 4x4 with a spider farmer sf4000 and a 2x2 with 2 HLG 100s one is rspec one is blue and white spectrum., It took me 2 shitty harvests in the beginning to get a system down. Bad genetics in the beginning also played a part im sure. Right now i am searching for good genetics/strain to grow exclusively. Right now i have mepehesto, dutch passion, fastbuds, and jean-o going and hopefully out of them I will find my fav.1. I will probably look into ILGM as well.