New Grower Auto Pounder - First Indoor Grow

using the FFOF soil you shouldn't feed anything but ph water for the first 2-3 weeks, maybe 4 has been my experience with that soil. watch the cotyl...cotlld? oh hell, those little round things near the bottom of the stem. when those yellow a little is when I start feeding. start at 1/4 strength at first and if no nute burn, up it a little at a time. what ff bloom booster are you talking about. I can help with th ff beastie bloom and cha-ching. set up looks good and it looks like you did your research.
a little :slap: and grow :karmacloud: to get your first auto's.
Ok i will not feed anything, but what about this Great White powder i have that was so expensive? Yes i was wanting to do the ff beastie and ching set up or flora which i have both from my failed dwc attempt. I will most def. need the guidance along with amounts and timing. Appreciate the input now will be looking for yellow of small round leaves.
 
Evening check up!

Just couldn't resist getting back into the grow area...only if i could watch them grow ALL day! Not much going on but basically being patient waiting for growth or even something to do with them? I am very humble on the welcoming and support already receiving...thanks to everyone! Surely i am not alone when i start zoning out starring at plants grow...lol. Peaceful grow times in climate control *surfing AFN ...living the dream!

One thing bugging me is this Great White Premium Mycorrhizae...any takes?

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Great white Mycorrhizae - Mycorrhizae are beneficial fungus which effectively create a secondary root system with their hyphae (think fungus roots).
The great white is a an inoculant containing beneficial fungus spores, which are applied to the plants roots, where they will attach to the root and live symbiotically with the plant.
Plant roots are incapable of taking up phosphate ions that are demineralized in soils with a basic PH but the myccorhizae mycelium can access these phosphate ions and supply them to the plant.
The mycorrhizae is more able to uptake nutrients such as phosphate ions and will swap them with the plant for sugars produced by photosynthesis, which the fungus can not create itself.
Mycorrhizae are found in 92% of plant families and play an important roll in their growth.
Another benefit of mycorrhizae is that is prevents disease and pathenogens from attacking your plant and also increases drought resistance by creating a large secondary root system , which means it is more able to find and uptake water.
The mycorrhizae should only need to be applied once and then stored until you grow another crop (unless otherwise stated).


Think Elsam was talking about Cotyledons. cotyledons are the seed leaves (the first leaves you see when the seed sprouts)
These leaves look unlike any of the true leaves that follow.
Cotyledons are are like a little power house and are quite thick due to them containing stored energy with which to get the growth cycle started.
As the true leave develope and start photosynthesizing and the food stores in the cotyledon get used up, they will wither and fall of as their job has been done.
This what elsam meant when he said that the cotyledons fall off around the time he starts feeding.
Once the true leaves start photosynthesizing this is the time the plant need to find food from the soil.

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Here we see a young cannabis seedling. The bottom two leaves are thick and round and are called cotyledons.
The two above are the first true leaves and are already displaying the familiar cannabis shape with serrated leaves, albeit only as single blades at this young stage.

As for Calmag & Epsome salts, you won't need both. Due to your very hard water which will be choc full of calcium, I would plump with Epsome salts (Magnesium Sulphate).

Epsome salts are inexpensive and can be bought at you local chemist or drug store and of course online.
Epsome salts are used at a rate of 1 level table spoon (3 teaspoons) to 1 gallon (4.5 Liters) of water.
The epsome salts are first put into a small amount of warm water to dissolve the crystals and then topped up with cold (not too cold though) water.
A foliar spray can be made using 1 level teaspoon of epsome salts to 1 Liter of water, dissolved as before and topped up with water and applied using a spray bottle.
When you see Mag def a foliar application get straight to where it is needed ie. the leaves, this process is slower if it has to first be taken up by the plant from the soil. Subsequent applications will be via the root system , not forgetting to PH your epsome solution first.

I just looked up Flora Nova and it seems to be for DWC and recircluting systems (which you said you used it for before) I can't find a soil feed chart for it. It maybe better to get a veg nute designed for soil and then the application measurements will be a lot simpler.
 
thanks for clearing that up Arty.i'm a terrible speller LOL.
SiriusB, the beastie and cha-ching is all I used. skip the open sesame. its for creating more bud sites which will make more but smaller buds.after all vertical growth has stopped I mix 1/16-1/8 teaspoon to a gal, 1st give the beastie and I feed them twice.then the same with the cha-ching. but only after all vertical growth has stopped. if given too early the plants will still produce, just not to their full potential. and watch for nute burn. these are strong nutes! and if you use them you'll need to give the plants a good cleansing flush with plain water 10-14 days before harvest and nothing but plain water till done to flush the chem's out to get a nice clean smoke. hope that helps. any questions, just ask. and with Arty Zan on board you got it made. Dudes a wealth of information.
 
Great white Mycorrhizae - Mycorrhizae are beneficial fungus which effectively create a secondary root system with their hyphae (think fungus roots).
The great white is a an inoculant containing beneficial fungus spores, which are applied to the plants roots, where they will attach to the root and live symbiotically with the plant.
Plant roots are incapable of taking up phosphate ions that are demineralized in soils with a basic PH but the myccorhizae mycelium can access these phosphate ions and supply them to the plant.
The mycorrhizae is more able to uptake nutrients such as phosphate ions and will swap them with the plant for sugars produced by photosynthesis, which the fungus can not create itself.
Mycorrhizae are found in 92% of plant families and play an important roll in their growth.
Another benefit of mycorrhizae is that is prevents disease and pathenogens from attacking your plant and also increases drought resistance by creating a large secondary root system , which means it is more able to find and uptake water.
The mycorrhizae should only need to be applied once and then stored until you grow another crop (unless otherwise stated).


Think Elsam was talking about Cotyledons. cotyledons are the seed leaves (the first leaves you see when the seed sprouts)
These leaves look unlike any of the true leaves that follow.
Cotyledons are are like a little power house and are quite thick due to them containing stored energy with which to get the growth cycle started.
As the true leave develope and start photosynthesizing and the food stores in the cotyledon get used up, they will wither and fall of as their job has been done.
This what elsam meant when he said that the cotyledons fall off around the time he starts feeding.
Once the true leaves start photosynthesizing this is the time the plant need to find food from the soil.

IMG_0910-1.jpg

Here we see a young cannabis seedling. The bottom two leaves are thick and round and are called cotyledons.
The two above are the first true leaves and are already displaying the familiar cannabis shape with serrated leaves, albeit only as single blades at this young stage.

As for Calmag & Epsome salts, you won't need both. Due to your very hard water which will be choc full of calcium, I would plump with Epsome salts (Magnesium Sulphate).

Epsome salts are inexpensive and can be bought at you local chemist or drug store and of course online.
Epsome salts are used at a rate of 1 level table spoon (3 teaspoons) to 1 gallon (4.5 Liters) of water.
The epsome salts are first put into a small amount of warm water to dissolve the crystals and then topped up with cold (not too cold though) water.
A foliar spray can be made using 1 level teaspoon of epsome salts to 1 Liter of water, dissolved as before and topped up with water and applied using a spray bottle.
When you see Mag def a foliar application get straight to where it is needed ie. the leaves, this process is slower if it has to first be taken up by the plant from the soil. Subsequent applications will be via the root system , not forgetting to PH your epsome solution first.

I just looked up Flora Nova and it seems to be for DWC and recircluting systems (which you said you used it for before) I can't find a soil feed chart for it. It maybe better to get a veg nute designed for soil and then the application measurements will be a lot simpler.
Wow arty you are like a human cannabis encyclopedia...amazing! I still have ALOT to learn and so far this is more than i expected...in a good way!

So now i understand the mycorrhizae fungus and makes perfect sense. One time feed and let it go from there, if needed at all? With the strong Fox Farm Ocean Forest "organic" soil it seems like its already loaded with mycorrhizae?

I will pick up some salt from local drug store today... is this needed only if i see deficiencies appear,or do i go ahead and incorporate into feeding schedule somewhere / sometime to prevent mag problems later?

So just water for a bit longer and then i will be looking for the cotyledons to do their thing and wilt up, yellow or fall off...basically start dying away.

Going to the local organic store today and will look into more suitable soil nutrients. Any suggestions on nutes im all ears? Im putting back on my shelf the DWC nutes and i will try again with a DWC grow later, especially now that i found this forum! Thx
 
thanks for clearing that up Arty.i'm a terrible speller LOL.
SiriusB, the beastie and cha-ching is all I used. skip the open sesame. its for creating more bud sites which will make more but smaller buds.after all vertical growth has stopped I mix 1/16-1/8 teaspoon to a gal, 1st give the beastie and I feed them twice.then the same with the cha-ching. but only after all vertical growth has stopped. if given too early the plants will still produce, just not to their full potential. and watch for nute burn. these are strong nutes! and if you use them you'll need to give the plants a good cleansing flush with plain water 10-14 days before harvest and nothing but plain water till done to flush the chem's out to get a nice clean smoke. hope that helps. any questions, just ask. and with Arty Zan on board you got it made. Dudes a wealth of information.
Ok great info, now the fox farm is making me a bit nervous on timing, amounts, and my lack of experience...i really do NOT want to burn my first auto grow. Should i just play it safe with something less intimidating? What did you do on your first grow, did it make you nervous as well, just he ff beastie and ching? Like i said my local organic store has tons of different types of nutes on many shelf's and when im walking up and down the isles it is more then intimidating because i have NO idea what im looking at or even for. I cant wait to know more what im talking about so i can hold conversations with fellow growers and compare grows and each others strategies. Since i have the FFOF soil and only 9 days in, we still have some time to discuss and learn about nutes, so i may be comfortable by the time feeding starts. Or maybe take simple baby step approach on the first grow? Have a great weekend!
 
nothing to be nervous about B. I used the ff trio liquid and the BB&CC boosters my first 3 grows. the trio just start at 1/4
Ok great info, now the fox farm is making me a bit nervous on timing, amounts, and my lack of experience...i really do NOT want to burn my first auto grow. Should i just play it safe with something less intimidating? What did you do on your first grow, did it make you nervous as well, just he ff beastie and ching? Like i said my local organic store has tons of different types of nutes on many shelf's and when im walking up and down the isles it is more then intimidating because i have NO idea what im looking at or even for. I cant wait to know more what im talking about so i can hold conversations with fellow growers and compare grows and each others strategies. Since i have the FFOF soil and only 9 days in, we still have some time to discuss and learn about nutes, so i may be comfortable by the time feeding starts. Or maybe take simple baby step approach on the first grow? Have a great weekend!
nothing to fear with the ff. I used the liquid trio and the BB & CC boosters with no real problems. they have a feeding schedule on their site. start at week 4 on the schedule and only give 1/4 strength. I wait until all vertical growth stops for about 5 days and add the BB at 1/16 teaspoon/gal. you can mix it with the trio or by itself. only do the BB twice at once a week then the same with CC. by then you should be close to a 7-10 day plain water till the end. I fed once and watered twice between feeds.
at least that's what I did. I'm using organic nutes now, Alaska fish fert, kelp meal EWC, and Dr.Earths liquid ferts. a little more advanced but more involved which is what I like. whatever you go with we'll be there to help
 
looking good carbon based life form!:pass:rermember one thing it's a weed, and almost grow's itself:biggrin: I am a k.i.s.s. grower:cheers:
Oh hello good neighbor NGC 6543 or better known as Cat's Eye Nebula...thanks for the heads up, it just cant be that complicated, right?...Although i have some crazy theoretical grow strategies that i cant wait to share. lol
 
nothing to be nervous about B. I used the ff trio liquid and the BB&CC boosters my first 3 grows. the trio just start at 1/4

nothing to fear with the ff. I used the liquid trio and the BB & CC boosters with no real problems. they have a feeding schedule on their site. start at week 4 on the schedule and only give 1/4 strength. I wait until all vertical growth stops for about 5 days and add the BB at 1/16 teaspoon/gal. you can mix it with the trio or by itself. only do the BB twice at once a week then the same with CC. by then you should be close to a 7-10 day plain water till the end. I fed once and watered twice between feeds.
at least that's what I did. I'm using organic nutes now, Alaska fish fert, kelp meal EWC, and Dr.Earths liquid ferts. a little more advanced but more involved which is what I like. whatever you go with we'll be there to help
Great advice and from what i can tell the ff seems to be already a simple, less complicated start. One day I as well want to expand into a different nutrient level, but for now will just keep it simple and get this first one under my belt. Thanks for the feeding schedule and your experienced grow. Im just bored waiting, feel like i need to do something!
 
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