Any way to know when pollen sacs will open?

[eleventysix]

Alright guys, I am relatively new to this breeding stuff, but I had a few questions that maybe you fine people here can help me out with..
So the situation goes as follows.. I only have two plants in my tent while I wait for my others to arrive. An auto blueberry and a male mixed dragon seed. I culled all my other males but left this one, it was the last to show sex of the four I had and all turned out to be male.. what a bummer or is it ha? So my main question is as goes... is there a time limit when the pollen sacs should open? Right now I am at day 24 and he has several little sacs all over I pulled a few early on in his life to make sure they didn't open. Then gets on to my other question of is there any way to induce the sacs to open, maybe such as throwing him in the dark for a day or two, any tricks to making this happen. My main concern is that I don't pollinate the ABB that's in the tent now. I have another grow space but only one light at the moment and I would like to collect the pollen for a later date. May even pollinate one little branch of the ABB just for the hell of it, but NOT the whole plant lol.. I have tried the method before to cut the male and put him in water for a few days but the sacs never opened and I didn't get any pollen. Might there be signs or something to let me know that he's ready to open the sacs so I can get him out of there just in time? If not I may just go ahead and rip his ass on out of there but I really would like to be able to collect some pollen though...
Here are a few pictures of the male now at 24 days

 

[Epic Genetics]

they usually begin opening within 2 weeks from onset , some of yours look close

if your not wanting to pollinate the other plant , get the male out of there , put him somewhere easy to clean so stray pollen can be dealt with once he drops his load , you dont need much light for a male when all you want is to collect some pollen , a couple household cfl's will do or even just put him in a window that neighbors cant see

peace

 

[eleventysix]

Thanks Epic genetics, I have been keeping a close eye on him for the last 2 weeks I'm going to get him out of there more than likely today... I may just throw him in the dark and see what happens since I have no other lights .. I appreciate the advice! :Sharing One:

 

[Dr Who]

I kept one in a 4 inch pot on the floor near a window, not visible from outside. It was sufficient for it to make some pollen, but a seriously skinny plant.

 

[eleventysix]

That is actually not a bad idea I got a few small small pots around here I could transplant it in there.. even if it stunts it who cares I would think lol ... thanks for the advice Dr. Who!!

 

[evol]

I kept one in a 4 inch pot on the floor near a window, not visible from outside. It was sufficient for it to make some pollen, but a seriously skinny plant.

Not a terrible idea but imo you want a nice healthy father for breeding and small pots can cause unwanted stress.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Not a terrible idea but imo you want a nice healthy father for breeding and small pots can cause unwanted stress.

The small pot can stress the plant that is in it, but it won't affect the seeds(and resulting plants) that come from pollen made by that plant. However with autoflowers, since most strains are truly stabilized yet, and therefore have a few different phenos, all being common in the same batch of seeds, growing out a father in a tiny pot won't let you see its true potential (given the time constraints and not being able to use a clone to reverse from a plant growing in a bigger pot on the side). Probably more of a problem with the less stabilized, lesser known strains on the market.

Otherwise, using solo cups as pots for plants scheduled to be reversed (or just regs where you are hunting a male), is a pretty useful technique, since it doesn't take up much space or soil at all, which is good because you weren't getting any bud from the plant anyway. Also, a couple pollen sacs is all you really need to make thousands of seeds, if done correctly.

 

[Epic Genetics]

The small pot can stress the plant that is in it, but it won't affect the seeds(and resulting plants) that come from pollen made by that plant. However with autoflowers, since most strains are truly stabilized yet, and therefore have a few different phenos, all being common in the same batch of seeds, growing out a father in a tiny pot won't let you see its true potential (given the time constraints and not being able to use a clone to reverse from a plant growing in a bigger pot on the side). Probably more of a problem with the less stabilized, lesser known strains on the market.

Otherwise, using solo cups as pots for plants scheduled to be reversed (or just regs where you are hunting a male), is a pretty useful technique, since it doesn't take up much space or soil at all, which is good because you weren't getting any bud from the plant anyway. Also, a couple pollen sacs is all you really need to make thousands of seeds, if done correctly.

where are you reading/copying this info from ?

if WE cause the plant stress we have in turn caused that plant to produce a stress hormone that can be transfered to future generations

male plants can and will flower under 24 hr lighting due to being stressed , and a small pot is a sure way to do that , including PHOTO strain males

any stress during breeding is a big NO-NO

peace

 

[EverythingsHazy]

where are you reading/copying this info from ?

if WE cause the plant stress we have in turn caused that plant to produce a stress hormone that can be transfered to future generations

male plants can and will flower under 24 hr lighting due to being stressed , and a small pot is a sure way to do that , including PHOTO strain males

any stress during breeding is a big NO-NO

peace

Do you have an article on that saying that hormones transfer over? I can't bring myself to believe that a small pot can do enough damage to a plant that the DNA would be altered in seeds created by its pollen. They don't start their life stressed out because the parent was. That's why most seeds (including those that are made out of stress responses) are built to withstand harsh conditions and then sprout when more favorable conditions return. They aren't all doomed because of a terrible season.

Sure the plant IN the solo cup might start flowering under 24hr light and grow smaller and such, but the resulting seeds will be the same as if you took pollen from a healthy clone of that plant and made seeds with the same mother (pollen from two clones. One stressed one not and then one female gets pollinated by both).

 

[Epic Genetics]

Do you have an article on that saying that hormones transfer over? I can't bring myself to believe that a small pot can do enough damage to a plant that the DNA would be altered in seeds created by its pollen. They don't start their life stressed out because the parent was. That's why most seeds (including those that are made out of stress responses) are built to withstand harsh conditions and then sprout when more favorable conditions return. They aren't all doomed because of a terrible season.

Sure the plant IN the solo cup might start flowering under 24hr light and grow smaller and such, but the resulting seeds will be the same as if you took pollen from a healthy clone of that plant and made seeds with the same mother (pollen from two clones. One stressed one not and then one female gets pollinated by both).

do a google search on plant botany

you WILL find what ive told you is true

people like yourself with limited to no experience are what causes good strains to turn bad , hobby breeders passing seeds to each other most often pass hermie prone seeds of strains that when sent from the original breeder were stable and hermie free

99.9999999999% of seeds/plants can be turned hermie , take a stable plant and breed with it under stress and you DO more often then not produce hermie prone seeds , and im talking seeds that produce hermies even when grown stress free

trust me , im talking from experience (yes ive ruined many a stable strain in my time) , although you can do like i said and google it to find the proof , just stay away from cannabis sites as most are filled with pollen chucking hacks who spread bad info

peace